Non Drivers

[Barnacle]

As MW mentioned in the CWU Live, they want people to have more time off and working fewer Saturdays. However, only the van routes will be available on Saturdays so theoretically that means that non-driving posties will get every Saturday off. This isn't what Tony Bouch said in his live comms.

Oddly enough some of these posties actually have driving licences and drive to work in their cars but will not drive a RM van!

MW was incomprehensible during the last CWU live. The more he explained the less I understood, and he contradicted both himself and Tony B.

I don’t believe there will be an awful lot more Saturdays off, simply because we’re a 7 day operation. Even non-drivers will have work on a Saturday - small offices may be the exception.

[Acca Dacca]

As MW mentioned in the CWU Live, they want people to have more time off and working fewer Saturdays. However, only the van routes will be available on Saturdays so theoretically that means that non-driving posties will get every Saturday off. This isn't what Tony Bouch said in his live comms.

Oddly enough some of these posties actually have driving licences and drive to work in their cars but will not drive a RM van!

MW was incomprehensible during the last CWU live. The more he explained the less I understood, and he contradicted both himself and Tony B.

I don’t believe there will be an awful lot more Saturdays off, simply because we’re a 7 day operation. Even non-drivers will have work on a Saturday - small offices may be the exception.

It stands to reason though that if there is essentially very very little mail getting done on a Saturday you are going to need less people in to do just the parcels outwith peak periods

[TopperGas]

As MW mentioned in the CWU Live, they want people to have more time off and working fewer Saturdays. However, only the van routes will be available on Saturdays so theoretically that means that non-driving posties will get every Saturday off. This isn't what Tony Bouch said in his live comms.

Oddly enough some of these posties actually have driving licences and drive to work in their cars but will not drive a RM van!

MW was incomprehensible during the last CWU live. The more he explained the less I understood, and he contradicted both himself and Tony B.

I don’t believe there will be an awful lot more Saturdays off, simply because we’re a 7 day operation. Even non-drivers will have work on a Saturday - small offices may be the exception.

It stands to reason though that if there is essentially very very little mail getting done on a Saturday you are going to need less people in to do just the parcels outwith peak periods

Not sure it'll go down to well if non drivers start getting more Saturday's off than drivers? Apart from the obvious driving/walking aspect the two roles have always been similar in the past.

[Acca Dacca]

It’ll not just ve non drivers getting the mon-fri though

Unless non drivers somehow outnumber drivers in your office

It’ll go to a resign and there will be the mon-fri walks and the 9 day fortnight shifts and they will be picked on seniority


There is likely to be more mon-fri duties available than there are non drivers and all non drivers without driving in their contract will by that point have at least 16 years seniority so should have no problem getting one of the mon-fri

All those contracted to drive will have less seniority

And I don’t mean choose to drive I mean have it in their contract

Some drivers who don’t need to drive contractually will prefer the 9 day fortnight with every second Sat, Sun, Mon and Tuesday off ( 4 days in a row ) rather than working 5 days every week and choose that

I’m a non driver and I’d prefer that over mon-fri tbh so it’s not as bad a deal as you think if what Martin Walsh says transpires

[Perseus]

It’ll not just ve non drivers getting the mon-fri though

Unless non drivers somehow outnumber drivers in your office

It’ll go to a resign and there will be the mon-fri walks and the 9 day fortnight shifts and they will be picked on seniority


There is likely to be more mon-fri duties available than there are non drivers and all non drivers without driving in their contract will by that point have at least 16 years seniority so should have no problem getting one of the mon-fri

All those contracted to drive will have less seniority

And I don’t mean choose to drive I mean have it in their contract

Some drivers who don’t need to drive contractually will prefer the 9 day fortnight with every second Sat, Sun, Mon and Tuesday off ( 4 days in a row ) rather than working 5 days every week and choose that

I’m a non driver and I’d prefer that over mon-fri tbh so it’s not as bad a deal as you think if what Martin Walsh says transpires

With these new proposed patterns, what people prefer won't always come in to it. I mean, someone who doesn't drive will need to have their hours filled mon-fri, unless they get sent on a very long walk over a huge area on a Saturday - which will probably end up happening in some areas. I agree, that there will be plenty of driving staff eyeing up the Mon-Fri routes, just because you drive doesn't mean you can't walk etc etc.. As long as all staff who don't drive get given first picks then it will work.
I think once people drop the idea that they will forever be able to do the same route every single day, these new attendance patterns make a bit more sense.

[jbo5066]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

[ted_e_bear]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Well I'll be f****d what a surprise, you'd have thought it would have been planned thoroughly over the course of the last few months ready for rollout

[claretandblue]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Keep us in the loop when they do knock what's happening

[postslippete]

MW was incomprehensible during the last CWU live. The more he explained the less I understood, and he contradicted both himself and Tony B.

I don’t believe there will be an awful lot more Saturdays off, simply because we’re a 7 day operation. Even non-drivers will have work on a Saturday - small offices may be the exception.

Admittedly, I dozed off during the broadcast and had to watch it back again especially when Martin waffled on about single daily deliveries and downstream access. I'm sure they could make these videos a lot shorter if there wasn't so much waffle. Tony Bouch tried to get through these live comms by talking really fast but then inferred that posties could easily deliver 50 parcels in 50 minutes. That is the issue with a few of these top Union officials they can't separate fantasy from reality.

[Londonsburning]

As MW mentioned in the CWU Live, they want people to have more time off and working fewer Saturdays. However, only the van routes will be available on Saturdays so theoretically that means that non-driving posties will get every Saturday off. This isn't what Tony Bouch said in his live comms.

Oddly enough some of these posties actually have driving licences and drive to work in their cars but will not drive a RM van!

MW was incomprehensible during the last CWU live. The more he explained the less I understood, and he contradicted both himself and Tony B.

I don’t believe there will be an awful lot more Saturdays off, simply because we’re a 7 day operation. Even non-drivers will have work on a Saturday - small offices may be the exception.

It stands to reason though that if there is essentially very very little mail getting done on a Saturday you are going to need less people in to do just the parcels outwith peak periods

Not sure it'll go down to well if non drivers start getting more Saturday's off than drivers? Apart from the obvious driving/walking aspect the two roles have always been similar in the past.

What about the drink/drug testing?

[Londonsburning]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Who is making these decisions then? You would think there would be communications from higher up to local and area management FFS. Either that or... checks notes management are lying

[Barnacle]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Who is making these decisions then? You would think there would be communications from higher up to local and area management FFS. Either that or... checks notes management are lying

There can’t be changes to shift patterns or attendance times: part of the pilot us that they have to work with the staff they have and the system they have.

[Londonsburning]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Who is making these decisions then? You would think there would be communications from higher up to local and area management FFS. Either that or... checks notes management are lying

There can’t be changes to shift patterns or attendance times: part of the pilot us that they have to work with the staff they have and the system they have.

Fingers crossed every one of these pilot offices fail even worse than the general status quo of abject failure has been then

[SpacePhoenix]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Who is making these decisions then? You would think there would be communications from higher up to local and area management FFS. Either that or... checks notes management are lying

There can’t be changes to shift patterns or attendance times: part of the pilot us that they have to work with the staff they have and the system they have.

Think more likely they'll make what changes they think are needed in MCs, RDCs and DOs to make it work

[Barnacle]

At the end of the day, we don't know what is going to happen with drivers/non drivers .. we are one of the pilot offices and had a meeting this week with local/area manager/s - they don't know when the trial is to start - they doubt it will be February - they don't know the attendance hours, they don't know the shift patterns, they're not sure how it will work, they don't know anything regarding vr, in short, it's wait and see ....

Who is making these decisions then? You would think there would be communications from higher up to local and area management FFS. Either that or... checks notes management are lying

There can’t be changes to shift patterns or attendance times: part of the pilot us that they have to work with the staff they have and the system they have.

Think more likely they'll make what changes they think are needed in MCs, RDCs and DOs to make it work

They can’t. The pilot has to run it’s course with what they have and in so doing, it will highlight changes which need to be made after the pilot if it is a success.