I think if your contract is from before 2010 (probably have the year wrong), it states in the contract that you won’t be expected to drive. All contracts after that expect driving.
So check your contract. They can’t just get rid of you and HCT jobs exist because the route is tricky to drive mostly.
I was employed summer 2011 as a "Postperson with cycling"
Only had a provisional (paid for by the jobcentre) for ID purposes.
Colleagues and managers will have the occasional pop about me being the only non driver in my office. but I just tell them
"Royal Mail employed me ride a bike"
They can't get rid of me because I am still providing the company exactly the same as was agreed when I signed on that godforsaken dotted line...or would provide if they'd kept the biles
Same! "Walking and cycling". Quite happy to ride a bike out to delivery should one ever be provided. It's like a self-propelled LWT. Send me out with the first class for multiple duties collapsed together on a Saturday and they can really boast about their carbon footprint. The outdoor times are crap now but at least it would rekindle some autonomy in the job.
Do you need a driving license for a Tuk tuk?
If they got some of them I’d pick a walk with one of those
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Is there a possibility those who dont get VR are given the option to be transferred to local mail centre in place of agency?
Unlikely. Think RM long term want to replace all of us with agency. Think it's almost at the point now where at least half the people on shift are agency.
Is there a possibility those who dont get VR are given the option to be transferred to local mail centre in place of agency?
Unlikely. Think RM long term want to replace all of us with agency. Think it's almost at the point now where at least half the people on shift are agency.
Yet cwu are saying they want agency gone?
One of the MC's I go to has removed all agency from its distribution unit & replaced them with permanent staff transferring in from other areas of the business.
Is there a possibility those who dont get VR are given the option to be transferred to local mail centre in place of agency?
Unlikely. Think RM long term want to replace all of us with agency. Think it's almost at the point now where at least half the people on shift are agency.
Yet cwu are saying they want agency gone?
One of the MC's I go to has removed all agency from its distribution unit & replaced them with permanent staff transferring in from other areas of the business.
That should be the way forward because if the new pilot is a success, there will be job losses if people can’t be moved to another part of the business.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Is there a possibility those who dont get VR are given the option to be transferred to local mail centre in place of agency?
Unlikely. Think RM long term want to replace all of us with agency. Think it's almost at the point now where at least half the people on shift are agency.
Yet cwu are saying they want agency gone?
One of the MC's I go to has removed all agency from its distribution unit & replaced them with permanent staff transferring in from other areas of the business.
That should be the way forward because if the new pilot is a success, there will be job losses if people can’t be moved to another part of the business.
It's a start & hopefully it continues like this, but the MC itself still has loads of agency staff whenever I go there.
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
There isn’t anything in your contract that states that but , unless Royal Mail are going to make every single duty a singleton duty then the role isn’t redundant.
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
There isn’t anything in your contract that states that but , unless Royal Mail are going to make every single duty a singleton duty then the role isn’t redundant.
You can’t have two people driving a van at once.
As soon as you add an 'unless' you cant really say no one has anything to worry about - that 'unless' can still make people worried.
5 years ago could you have foreseen the state at which we operate now where mail sits in frames days on end and only tracked parcels matter?
Anything is possible.
Its feasible that RM phase out van sharing.
They dont employ people with no license now as it is.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
There isn’t anything in your contract that states that but , unless Royal Mail are going to make every single duty a singleton duty then the role isn’t redundant.
You can’t have two people driving a van at once.
As soon as you add an 'unless' you cant really say no one has anything to worry about - that 'unless' can still make people worried.
5 years ago could you have foreseen the state at which we operate now where mail sits in frames days on end and only tracked parcels matter?
Anything is possible.
Its feasible that RM phase out van sharing.
They dont employ people with no license now as it is.
There is no fun to be had in scaring people unnecessarily though. How many people are there who do not hold a valid license? The number must be small. Within my office of 250 or so, there are only 5 non-drivers. It will not be difficult to find them work which does not involve driving, as long as they want the options presented to them.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
There's less and less staff on the "legacy" contracts. Once the % of staff on them drops low enough it'll be financially viable for RM to get rid of them, and that's after the costs of employment tribunals are factored in
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
There isn’t anything in your contract that states that but , unless Royal Mail are going to make every single duty a singleton duty then the role isn’t redundant.
You can’t have two people driving a van at once.
As soon as you add an 'unless' you cant really say no one has anything to worry about - that 'unless' can still make people worried.
5 years ago could you have foreseen the state at which we operate now where mail sits in frames days on end and only tracked parcels matter?
Anything is possible.
Its feasible that RM phase out van sharing.
They dont employ people with no license now as it is.
There is no fun to be had in scaring people unnecessarily though. How many people are there who do not hold a valid license? The number must be small. Within my office of 250 or so, there are only 5 non-drivers. It will not be difficult to find them work which does not involve driving, as long as they want the options presented to them.
I think its the fact the number is so small thats one of the biggest worries - its certainly one of mine as a non driver
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
They can make the role redundant
Nothing in your contract states you can never be made redundant through compulsory redundancy
Thats what people are worried about.
There isn’t anything in your contract that states that but , unless Royal Mail are going to make every single duty a singleton duty then the role isn’t redundant.
You can’t have two people driving a van at once.
As soon as you add an 'unless' you cant really say no one has anything to worry about - that 'unless' can still make people worried.
5 years ago could you have foreseen the state at which we operate now where mail sits in frames days on end and only tracked parcels matter?
Anything is possible.
Its feasible that RM phase out van sharing.
They dont employ people with no license now as it is.
And the amount of non drivers dwindles by the years so there’s no reason to do it.
I mean it’s not , they’d have to double the amount of vans across the country and aren’t they the ones who keep going on about carbon emissions and being a green company.
The same type of person has been going round my office whispering this stuff into the ears of the 5-6 non drivers out of about 150 people.
They cannot get rid of you if you were employed before they said that a driving licence is needed for the job, which was 2010. You would ding basically what you are already doing in deliveries,so don’t worry about all the scaremongering because they cannot get rid of you.
There's less and less staff on the "legacy" contracts. Once the % of staff on them drops low enough it'll be financially viable for RM to get rid of them, and that's after the costs of employment tribunals are factored in
You still can’t have 2 people drive one van at the same time.
As MW mentioned in the CWU Live, they want people to have more time off and working fewer Saturdays. However, only the van routes will be available on Saturdays so theoretically that means that non-driving posties will get every Saturday off. This isn't what Tony Bouch said in his live comms.
Oddly enough some of these posties actually have driving licences and drive to work in their cars but will not drive a RM van!
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
