Who believes mail volumes are falling?

[Geordie]

I suggested earlier in the deabte that it could be that rounds were bigger because of less people doing the work as the reason why volumes could appear up, but actually be down.

We have TMan telling us that all the machine figures show that traffic is down, whilst those on delivery telling us the weight, volume, and number of items is through the roof.

Some have indicated that mail is up by 25% - if so, have staffing levels risen by the same amount?

Where are the DSA figures taken, especially if they bypass our machines?

Could it be this mail is the reason why mech/APC figures are down, but delivery volumes up?

[DGP1]

I suggested earlier in the deabte that it could be that rounds were bigger because of less people doing the work as the reason why volumes could appear up, but actually be down.

We have TMan telling us that all the machine figures show that traffic is down, whilst those on delivery telling us the weight, volume, and number of items is through the roof.

Some have indicated that mail is up by 25% - if so, have staffing levels risen by the same amount?

Where are the DSA figures taken, especially if they bypass our machines?

Could it be this mail is the reason why mech/APC figures are down, but delivery volumes up?

I quoted the figure of 25% and no staffing levels have not increased by 25% (they have gone up but not by a lot) but the OT have gone through the roof

And it's probably true that the DSA figures are the cause of the disparity in processed figures and delivered figures but it still means that volumes are up.

[dogfood]

The term 'mail volume' is a poor one to describe what Night Tonic and Tman are claiming - which seems to be that RM's capacity to receive income/profit from mail is decreasing.
RM do at times like to use ambiguous terminology in their efforts to corral us into there way of thinking...

Just about right.

Doing the same amount of work for 50% less income as a result of DSA. Which one of these two :lfo :cfo negotiated that great deal. Even if they didn't negotiate the deal they must have approved it. [/quote]

[BELIAL]

Since when has volume meant profit? Most of the English speaking population of the planet accept the popular definition of the word, volume = quantity, a measurement of size,scale,number: definitely not profit ratio. Wordsmiths ,twisters and market traders ,who needs em

[axeman]

It's quite obvious that teaman and his buddy night tronic bat for t'other side as no amount of delivery posties can re-educate them that mail volumes are well up. lets just say we know better that them thats for sure

[Night Tonic]

Heck, with whole threads on those who won't be able to cope going from weekly to monthly pay, economics are probably not your strong point and theres a sub-class that when they can't think of anything more original to say, descend to "Oh they must be Doms, or from some other world". No wonder we're all beaten. If we were not in such dire straights it might even be funny.

[Tman]

It's quite obvious that teaman and his buddy night tronic bat for t'other side as no amount of delivery posties can re-educate them that mail volumes are well up. lets just say we know better that them thats for sure

I guess that pretty much sums up this thread.
What can I say when faced with this level of logic?

[POSTMAN]

Although i disagree to a certain extent with Nighty and Tman,i think it's unfair to call them managers.
If they were then it makes no difference anyway,we have DOM on here,he's a manager and does it matter whether he said it or them.
I dont want this to get to you're a screw malarky,guys if you are managers just say so if not lets move on.
Oh and if managers are on here and post as posties and vice a versa then if i find out they're out.

Here's a story for you,2 reps different offices but in the same building,one says letters are down,other says not over here mate.
It's a possible geographical thing and also the kind of housing/dwellers there are and what area you are.
Deffo at my place it aint dropping,but elsewhere........

[Tman]

Although i disagree to a certain extent with Nighty and Tman,i think it's unfair to call them managers.
If they were then it makes no difference anyway,we have DOM on here,he's a manager and does it matter whether he said it or them.

I don't think it's unfair in the slightest. RM managers are RM employees too, and, despite the childish comments like "screws" "DUMs" and the rest, are needed.
However, I'm not one and never will be one, because apart from the fact that I studied long and hard to get my qualifications and I'm not going to waste those signing posties' time sheets (or whatever they are), and standing around looking bored stiff.
As NT has said though, to say "oh yeah, but they're managers etc etc.." as a form of disputing what's been said, is worrying though.
Sounds like we're all in the poop when staff disbelieve something just because management have said it. That means staff are likely to vote against anything management proposes, good or bad, merely because of it's source, and that's a good way to split the union, doing no-one any favours.

[kingtubby]

...Sounds like we're all in the poop when staff disbelieve something just because management have said it.

I reckon we're all in the poop anyway, whatever anyone here says or does, so what does it matter?

[DirtyHarry]

you cant teach bacon

Very profound, what's your real name, Aristotle ?

[Night Tonic]

More fun than a barrel full of monkeys this thread......yeeeehaaa

[norbert]

More fun than a barrel full of monkeys this thread......yeeeehaaa

Mark White in the Another Postal Strike in Britain ? on the "across the road site " does make a point of abysmal communication , you have look at this absymal communication and the source and culture behind it , the DIMMs , DUMM's or whatever you want to call them are Leighton's mouthpieces, it's a regimented style and they have to toe big Al's line . .

I've no problem with cynicism , mistrust and skepticism with all the razzamatazz and the Amway technique that's mentioned in the article , that's not childish or necessarily the entrenched socialism that White continually harpens on about .

[Night Tonic]

Communication has always been poor and getting worse but what has above to do with falling mail volume?

[kingtubby]

Mark White in the Another Postal Strike in Britain ? on the "across the road site "...

That HellMail site is pretty puffed up and self important, seeming to tout themselves as the mouth piece of international postal business - bleh!
In one current 'news' item Mark White puts his name to a piece entitled "Swiss Post Acquisition In Milton Keynes" which is cut and paste in it's entirety from the swisspost.ch website. Needless to say, it's just an extended promotional piece extolling the virtues of the companies involved...pretty lame really.