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white yorks . sorting packets

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Barnacle
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by Barnacle »

SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
rubberbond wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 14:14
Mick100 wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 11:18
Another idea from someone who has never done the job
Therein lies the problem in its entirety with this job , too many people in positions of influence that have never done the hard yards on delivery,or did it so long ago their experience is no longer relevant. Same thing applies to the top of the union as well.
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
In a mail centre they might make sense but they don’t in a delivery office. They’re a pain in the backside.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by CarryingMGMT »

Barnacle wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:24
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
rubberbond wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 14:14
Mick100 wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 11:18
Another idea from someone who has never done the job
Therein lies the problem in its entirety with this job , too many people in positions of influence that have never done the hard yards on delivery,or did it so long ago their experience is no longer relevant. Same thing applies to the top of the union as well.
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
In a mail centre they might make sense but they don’t in a delivery office. They’re a pain in the backside.
Sounds a bit like MC OPGs who have never done a walk before tbh... :Very Happy

Should be putting them all into the local DOs for some "work experience" sooner the better
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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Can someone call security please?
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by Sean06 »

Barnacle wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:24
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
rubberbond wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 14:14
Mick100 wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 11:18
Another idea from someone who has never done the job
Therein lies the problem in its entirety with this job , too many people in positions of influence that have never done the hard yards on delivery,or did it so long ago their experience is no longer relevant. Same thing applies to the top of the union as well.
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
In a mail centre they might make sense but they don’t in a delivery office. They’re a pain in the backside.
Pain in backside in mcs too
derekm
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by derekm »

SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 10:06
In DOs you're probably dealing with around a dozen per day (small packets and small Tracked). In MCs we have to deal with at least 100 of them every day. Think I saw one being used for the foreign specials one day.
a dozen a day. ?? aye right
R5001
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by R5001 »

SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 10:06
In DOs you're probably dealing with around a dozen per day (small packets and small Tracked). In MCs we have to deal with at least 100 of them every day. Think I saw one being used for the foreign specials one day.
Maybe in yours. we would, at a rough guess, get, outside of specials, get 90% white yorks, 5% basic yorks and 5% shrouds, with maybe 1% on occasion being replaced with those metal raiseable floor solid yorks from time to time. The white yorks such s**t and were a bad idea form inception.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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They are effing useless. It's not just when they arrive... Putting them out for collection is a total ball ache.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by Mr Rush »

SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
To put it simply, we stoop to accomodate a machine. What a future we live in.
The machine stops.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by SpacePhoenix »

derekm wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 19:16
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 10:06
In DOs you're probably dealing with around a dozen per day (small packets and small Tracked). In MCs we have to deal with at least 100 of them every day. Think I saw one being used for the foreign specials one day.
a dozen a day. ?? aye right
So how many sleeves of small normals and small Tracked do you get every day?
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Post by Kenfandango »

This morning our section got 15 white yorks and 3 standard, and a whole bunch of thin packets that had slid out of the white ones en route and required people to remove them from the lorry separately. Other sections got a better mix. We've never seen the alleged shovels
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by TopperGas »

SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
rubberbond wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 14:14
Mick100 wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 11:18
Another idea from someone who has never done the job
Therein lies the problem in its entirety with this job , too many people in positions of influence that have never done the hard yards on delivery,or did it so long ago their experience is no longer relevant. Same thing applies to the top of the union as well.
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
It's hardly the biggest job to just check each red sleeve to make sure there's nothing stuck in the bottom before it's stored away? How much extra work has been created by using the while sleeves, it seems a sledgehammer to crack a nut type decision. Using snow shovels is a complete joke/non start in a DO.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by SpacePhoenix »

TopperGas wrote: ↑
02 Apr 2024, 10:51
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 15:21
rubberbond wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 14:14
Mick100 wrote: ↑
01 Apr 2024, 11:18
Another idea from someone who has never done the job
Therein lies the problem in its entirety with this job , too many people in positions of influence that have never done the hard yards on delivery,or did it so long ago their experience is no longer relevant. Same thing applies to the top of the union as well.
They got brought in to enable much better loading of mail into the machines in the superhubs and any PSM MCs. With the old red sleeves, mail can get stuck at the bottom.
It's hardly the biggest job to just check each red sleeve to make sure there's nothing stuck in the bottom before it's stored away? How much extra work has been created by using the while sleeves, it seems a sledgehammer to crack a nut type decision. Using snow shovels is a complete joke/non start in a DO.
Given the automation in the superhubs it's possible that a sleeve once tipped by the machine gets moved by the machine into a slot to be filled up. RM wanted sleeves where 100% of the mail comes out of it first time without any manual intervention
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

Post by 2chorizon »

Kenfandango wrote: ↑
02 Apr 2024, 10:34
. We've never seen the alleged shovels
Then none of you should be emptying white correx sleeves from 1/3rd fill depth.
If you are, then you are working outside the SSOW and if you injure your backs (as being complained about) then you will probably get conducted, not sick pay & sympathy.

Demand the slider tools, they have to supply them to you.

And when nesting and moving these white correx sleeves, strap in 3"s and push from the rear using the yellow handles.
Do not grab 3 at a time from the tops a push them backwards with your shoulders jacked up, that is another no no.

If you want a copy of the SSOW for these sleeves it is on here, i will post it.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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The job I do now means that I am seeing RM from the customer's side.

We use Yorks on a daily basis and there isn't a single advantage to the white sided ones compared to the original ones. The white ones hold 10% fewer of the boxes we use, they stack in 3s instead of 5s so take up more warehouse space. They often have pieces broken off which has caused sharp plastics edges. Being ex-RM colleagues ask me why the change was made, and I shrug my shoulders.
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