Its no good asking Martin he only got in because no one voted its a bit like sunak ,and Martin is not my delivery union leader,what union leader would ever side with the argument of the company and keep telling us its the way its going and we have to face facts,im sorry but he has no credibility and as predicted the big sell out is now coming to fruition.
You should have put your name forward as the one to save us then.
I'll be retired within 2 years it will take decades to undo the harm caused by the cwu that's if it can ever be undone,if it wants to stay relevant and have any credibility again you have to have a full clear out and get rid of all them who sold us out,Dave and all the pec members and every area rep that tried to persuade people to vote yes,what this union needs now is young blood the one's who want to fight for their terms and conditions and decent pay,what they dont need is the old guard hanging on to their jobs just to get closer to retirement with over inflated salaries,as for me i've got my decent pension in the bag and have had the best years because i use to belong to a union who never backed down ,so chicken i have every right to speak my mind i have nothing to lose.
Its no good asking Martin he only got in because no one voted its a bit like sunak ,and Martin is not my delivery union leader,what union leader would ever side with the argument of the company and keep telling us its the way its going and we have to face facts,im sorry but he has no credibility and as predicted the big sell out is now coming to fruition.
You should have put your name forward as the one to save us then.
I'll be retired within 2 years it will take decades to undo the harm caused by the cwu that's if it can ever be undone,if it wants to stay relevant and have any credibility again you have to have a full clear out and get rid of all them who sold us out,Dave and all the pec members and every area rep that tried to persuade people to vote yes,what this union needs now is young blood the one's who want to fight for their terms and conditions and decent pay,what they dont need is the old guard hanging on to their jobs just to get closer to retirement with over inflated salaries,as for me i've got my decent pension in the bag and have had the best years because i use to belong to a union who never backed down ,so chicken i have every right to speak my mind i have nothing to lose.
Locally probably about 75% of the DOs don't have a rep, based on the last time the list of all reps of all types in all offices in the area was put up on the union board. Even about half the various rep positions in the MC are empty
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
I disagree with this. It’s partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
Indoor work plan We were told when they steamrollered the last revision in that we didn’t need one of them anymore
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
over resourcing!!!
There certainly is on the indoor operation in many offices. Driving early IPS overtime when not needed to get people out on the streets earlier and for longer. Instead of creating realistic duties and employing to match it they would rather chuck money at early indoor overtime and attempt to march their current staff into an early grave. I don't actually think its all that funny...
I disagree with this. It’s partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
Indoor work plan We were told when they steamrollered the last revision in that we didn’t need one of them anymore
It's hard to tell if we have an indoor work plan or for that matter any plan whatsoever, we do have early extra ips though that we don't need as it only benefits part of the office and half of them are the early starting mob.
Its no good asking Martin he only got in because no one voted its a bit like sunak ,and Martin is not my delivery union leader,what union leader would ever side with the argument of the company and keep telling us its the way its going and we have to face facts,im sorry but he has no credibility and as predicted the big sell out is now coming to fruition.
You should have put your name forward as the one to save us then.
I'll be retired within 2 years it will take decades to undo the harm caused by the cwu that's if it can ever be undone,if it wants to stay relevant and have any credibility again you have to have a full clear out and get rid of all them who sold us out,Dave and all the pec members and every area rep that tried to persuade people to vote yes,what this union needs now is young blood the one's who want to fight for their terms and conditions and decent pay,what they dont need is the old guard hanging on to their jobs just to get closer to retirement with over inflated salaries,as for me i've got my decent pension in the bag and have had the best years because i use to belong to a union who never backed down ,so chicken i have every right to speak my mind i have nothing to lose.
Locally probably about 75% of the DOs don't have a rep, based on the last time the list of all reps of all types in all offices in the area was put up on the union board. Even about half the various rep positions in the MC are empty
im not surprised, who would want to be a rep with Dave and his mates selling you out on a daily basis and martin walsh who seems to be a royal mail spokesman, get some young people in who are up for the fight and you might see people volunteering,no one wants to stand with dave and the pec members.
There certainly is on the indoor operation in many offices. Driving early IPS overtime when not needed to get people out on the streets earlier and for longer. Instead of creating realistic duties and employing to match it they would rather chuck money at early indoor overtime and attempt to march their current staff into an early grave. I don't actually think its all that funny...
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
over resourcing!!!
There certainly is on the indoor operation in many offices. Driving early IPS overtime when not needed to get people out on the streets earlier and for longer. Instead of creating realistic duties and employing to match it they would rather chuck money at early indoor overtime and attempt to march their current staff into an early grave. I don't actually think its all that funny...
Ah, I misinterpreted your post.
As a well under resourced office, I said before that early morning ot was pointless and counter productive. Someone sneered at my point.
Now I understand your post I fully agree.
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
over resourcing!!!
There certainly is on the indoor operation in many offices. Driving early IPS overtime when not needed to get people out on the streets earlier and for longer. Instead of creating realistic duties and employing to match it they would rather chuck money at early indoor overtime and attempt to march their current staff into an early grave. I don't actually think its all that funny...
We have that in our office too. We have a sheet on the wall saying our leaving times inclusive of 20 minutes break and on some days they have me out for nearly 6 hours.
There certainly is on the indoor operation in many offices. Driving early IPS overtime when not needed to get people out on the streets earlier and for longer. Instead of creating realistic duties and employing to match it they would rather chuck money at early indoor overtime and attempt to march their current staff into an early grave. I don't actually think its all that funny...
Agreed. As I type this, there will be staff that are in the office this morning on OT doing early IPS and they will already have their 1st wave of mech in. When I usually walk in they will probably also have half their packets in and a few of them will be leaving the office at least an hour before anyone else. Small wonder that no one else can complete their duties, when they can.
Now and again I will arrive and the early sorters will have put my mech in (usually when there is double or even triple mail) so that I can get out earlier and the boss will be saying that we have given you some assistance so you will be able to complete today. If I had double mail to deliver I would prefer having a few loops took off NOT be given extra time to do the round in as I think 6 hours on delivery is bad enough!
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
To the op - I don't think these times were ever going to be negotiated at do level because it is all down to what time wave two can reach your do from the mail centre.
They are being negotiated at area, divisional and national level. So your area rep should know a ballpark figure for your office, although that could change, even after Monday.
I disagree with this. Its partly dependent on the current indoor work plan each individual office is working to and the current level of resourcing and potential over resourcing when it comes to early sorting as well. Many offices are putting in early IPS OT where they don't need to. This could be the only reason offices are running out of work between wave 1 and 2. Local rep's should defo have been more involved even just to refine these start times before they were announced.
That's true, but good area reps should have been asking unit reps if the indoor sorting times the company was putting out there were correct.
There's also supposed to be a 12 week window to review the new times - so maybe if an office finds that they could start earlier and not run out of indoor work, they can move times again (!)...
We were told when they steamrollered the last revision in that we didn’t need one of them anymore 