Managerial illegal activity

[HTPostman]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

The opposite is true in my experience. The duty holder will do the job correctly, whereas the casual or day off cover, is the one who turns up early, cuts corners and wrecks the duty. Always leaves the frame in a mess too.

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

[SMS1969]

I’m a cover duty and I will do the job as I want to do it, not how others want me to. Fortunately I don’t have a problem but I’ve heard another ‘ experienced ‘ postie asking the younger cover why he didn’t open the porch for parcels etc because he brought some back. Basically putting pressure on him. Knob.

[LouBarlow]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

The opposite is true in my experience. The duty holder will do the job correctly, whereas the casual or day off cover, is the one who turns up early, cuts corners and wrecks the duty. Always leaves the frame in a mess too.

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

This is a fair post. As a duty holder, all I would ask, is you don’t start early, do the job as instructed without cutting corners, and leave both the van and my frame in the condition you found it. That aside, I don’t care.

[SpacePhoenix]

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

Number 4 is OK until someone complains, then they'd likely be on a 2 year serious or sacked

[HTPostman]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

The opposite is true in my experience. The duty holder will do the job correctly, whereas the casual or day off cover, is the one who turns up early, cuts corners and wrecks the duty. Always leaves the frame in a mess too.

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

This is a fair post. As a duty holder, all I would ask, is you don’t start early, do the job as instructed without cutting corners, and leave both the van and my frame in the condition you found it. That aside, I don’t care.

Exactly. Although I do struggle when I’m at a frame with misorts, kill offs, half filled in P739s and random D2Ds cluttered on top, my OCD means I have to tidy everything. But otherwise I follow your system.

[thefox]

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

Number 4 is OK until someone complains, then they'd likely be on a 2 year serious or sacked

Number 4 expects you to put your job on the line so he gets his xmas tip,number 4 ican go f**k himself.

[LouBarlow]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

The opposite is true in my experience. The duty holder will do the job correctly, whereas the casual or day off cover, is the one who turns up early, cuts corners and wrecks the duty. Always leaves the frame in a mess too.

Being a day off cover (who actually ends up getting rotated round lots of different rounds), I find it ridiculous how each duty holder wants me to work differently:

Duty 1: he doesn’t like me bringing stuff back, expects a clear frame.
Duty 2: doesn’t want me to clear because she’s been saying for ages her round is too big and is trying to prove a point.
Duty 3: doesn’t want me to go too fast indoors, because the outdoor element isn’t as big as other duties.
Duty 4: wants me to sign for things because ‘he always takes care of his customers.’
Duty 5: wants me to do everything by the book.
Duty 6: clear everything unless it’s a Monday, because he doesn’t want to have to take lapsing on a Tuesday and so if I bring some back on a Monday it’s less likely he’s told to lapse.

I have one speed regardless of the round: efficient and consistent. I don’t run round, I don’t leave the engine running or carry things in the front. But likewise I don’t have a 10 minute chat with Mrs Smith every day and I don’t feed biscuits to every dog in the village. Start on time, take my breaks, van check, a brief but friendly how are you doing with a few regulars outdoors.

This is a fair post. As a duty holder, all I would ask, is you don’t start early, do the job as instructed without cutting corners, and leave both the van and my frame in the condition you found it. That aside, I don’t care.

Exactly. Although I do struggle when I’m at a frame with misorts, kill offs, half filled in P739s and random D2Ds cluttered on top, my OCD means I have to tidy everything. But otherwise I follow your system.

Can you come and be my day off cover? I hate having any clutter on my frame, and when I return there will always be trays under the frame, bags slung everywhere, pouches missing, rubbish left. Just tidy up people!

[bluempl]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

[dazzler123]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

why is that? 5 is a lot, what did they do

[aiden01]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

why is that? 5 is a lot, what did they do

Clearly says for 'supposed' wilful delay..be nobody left soon esp if managers start getting done for wilful delay thieving a living they are.

[dazzler123]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

why is that? 5 is a lot, what did they do

Clearly says for 'supposed' wilful delay..be nobody left soon esp if managers start getting done for wilful delay thieving a living they are.

yes but Royal Mail are doing willful delay aswell, and happily let mail sit in a frame for a week. are they bringing stuff back after their time, etc? Just seems odd 5 people in the same place at same time

[aiden01]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

why is that? 5 is a lot, what did they do

Clearly says for 'supposed' wilful delay..be nobody left soon esp if managers start getting done for wilful delay thieving a living they are.

yes but Royal Mail are doing willful delay aswell, and happily let mail sit in a frame for a week. are they bringing stuff back after their time, etc? Just seems odd 5 people in the same place at same time

Agree with you thats why i said if managers start getting done for wilful delay.

[postslippete]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

Ever since the revisions at our depot all our COMs are guilty of wilful delay. The delivery standard right now is for COMs to tell posties to take it all out with them and bringing half of it back is never a performance issue because several posties just can't complete. If only they suspended those posties they might conduct a thorough investigation into why mail has been failing everyday.

And that's why they won't do it. They have screwed up the revisions and know that the duties are unachievable.

[bluempl]

5 now suspended in our office all for supposedly "wilful delay". The place is utterly toxic with some posties revelling in the fact their colleagues are being shafted.

why is that? 5 is a lot, what did they do

Clearly says for 'supposed' wilful delay..be nobody left soon esp if managers start getting done for wilful delay thieving a living they are.

yes but Royal Mail are doing willful delay aswell, and happily let mail sit in a frame for a week. are they bringing stuff back after their time, etc? Just seems odd 5 people in the same place at same time

Bringing stuff back/not taking enough out/"performance issues" - I don't know the full details because we're not allowed to talk about it like it's some state secret. All done off the back of a single day's delivery in each case though as far as I know. Meanwhile of course the managers are still telling us to prioritise tracked over regular mail(wilful delay?) which the public have been assured isn't happening

[Dexydog]

Something on news today about a group of posties in the Wirrel being suspended for all having their break in a pub.
No booze, eye witnesses reported tea/coffee being taken.
Any connection?