Managerial illegal activity

[pieoftheday]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

We always aim to get back around 10 mins before finish time.the van has to be parked up and emptied, returned items have to be scanned In, returned loops have to be returned to fitting, if we got back dead on time we'd be over our time

I don’t think 10 minutes is enough really. We aim for driving back in with 20 minutes left, as it gives you enough time to park up, set the van on charge, empty it, allocate the post office mail to the correct York, scan items in, kill off mail etc. I think we would be rushing to do all this in ten minutes. Also they can’t send you back out if there are only twenty minutes left on your duty, as it isn’t time enough to reach your destination, deliver the excess, and return again before your finish time.

It would really show up how managers havnt a clue about the delivery job if they tried to send you back out for coming back 20 mins before finish time wouldnt it? I suppose you could reload the van and and then just hand the keys to the manager because it was bang on finish time

[HTPostman]

Just to clarify, I always aim to be back 10 minutes before my finish time ie 2.50 for a 3pm finish but on this occasion I got back 20 minutes earlier. The journey back took me 12 minutes. The previous day it took me 42 minutes. Incredibly hard to judge.

As for being sent back out someone was sent back out a few months ago, back out through the congested tourist route, when they got there they had 30 seconds, delivered 2 (yes 2) letters then came back. Incompetent management.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

[SMS1969]

When I tell them I won’t be able to complete I often get the reply of ‘’ well I haven’t got anyone else to do it ‘’. NOT MY PROBLEM. When I get back, miraculously i find someone has taken it.

[mjd24]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

But i suppose ultimately does it matter if we as individual posties are becoming less productive or not so willing to go the extra mile . . . Theyve still cut walks/jobs and dont seem bothered about the USO, so us doing say 75% of our frame vs 85% doesnt make much difference.

[thefox]

When I tell them I won’t be able to complete I often get the reply of ‘’ well I haven’t got anyone else to do it ‘’. NOT MY PROBLEM. When I get back, miraculously i find someone has taken it.

Ah the old trying to tug at yer heart strings trick not had that for a while i used to love that seeing his wee broken face when you tell him you don't care.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

But i suppose ultimately does it matter if we as individual posties are becoming less productive or not so willing to go the extra mile . . . Theyve still cut walks/jobs and dont seem bothered about the USO, so us doing say 75% of our frame vs 85% doesnt make much difference.

You are probably right.
Very strange way to run a company. I don't think it helps sometimes that managers at a local level are too scared to tell their superiors that their plans are ridiculous.
Christmas is going to be fun when all these revisions are pushed through.
Might only be slightly better than last year.

[Nickvilla20]

I imagine the culture is even more toxic the further you go up the chain. We had the area manager in a few weeks ago and because we had a light day and a few people were chatting he decided we need to lapse all the DPR routes. My manager looked like he wanted to just throw the towel in as he was telling us.

The company really needs a huge reform in how’s it run it would probably save some money at the same time.

[enskied]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.

Don’t give them a single minute ffs

Its funny because with all this s**t and clock in and out coming in all the runners have done a full 360 now they are the worse ones for leaving loops ,i always over estimate now and the job has gone from a tiring one to a lovely relaxed one ,as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.

Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM

We did that 20yrs ago and called it starbursting ultimately failed

We were a starburst office also

[postslippete]

All this "illegal activity" is never communicated in writing either from Area managers to COMs and from the COMs to us. And yet the evidence that Royal Mail are failing mail and parcels on a daily basis is quite damning. The Select Committee brought it to attention when Covid and IA were used as reasons for delivery failures and Royal Mail responded by

1. Saying that they have financial problems (brought on by the very people who are running the company)
2. They eventually got rid of Simon Thompson (he was made a scapegoat as the CEO and the company rewarded him for resigning with a handsome redundancy package)


On the shop floor everything is being done verbally for obvious reasons. You can't take pictures in the workplace as proof and you can't complain to OfCom without them redirecting you back to Royal Mail. OfCom are not likely going to fine a company that has just blackened its year end accounts to show that it might go into administration tomorrow (when it obviously isn't!). So everything is one great big cover up.

Even Dave Ward and his comrades in the Union leadership have done a complete U-turn and admitted that we need a 5 day USO. What message does this give to the Royal Mail other than it suggests that the Union is complicit in allowing the company to have current delivery failures on an industrial scale?? What the Union promised us in delaying the ballot sounds as hollow as ever.

[guardianangel]

All this "illegal activity" is never communicated in writing either from Area managers to COMs and from the COMs to us. And yet the evidence that Royal Mail are failing mail and parcels on a daily basis is quite damning. The Select Committee brought it to attention when Covid and IA were used as reasons for delivery failures and Royal Mail responded by

1. Saying that they have financial problems (brought on by the very people who are running the company)
2. They eventually got rid of Simon Thompson (he was made a scapegoat as the CEO and the company rewarded him for resigning with a handsome redundancy package)


On the shop floor everything is being done verbally for obvious reasons. You can't take pictures in the workplace as proof and you can't complain to OfCom without them redirecting you back to Royal Mail. OfCom are not likely going to fine a company that has just blackened its year end accounts to show that it might go into administration tomorrow (when it obviously isn't!). So everything is one great big cover up.

Even Dave Ward and his comrades in the Union leadership have done a complete U-turn and admitted that we need a 5 day USO. What message does this give to the Royal Mail other than it suggests that the Union is complicit in allowing the company to have current delivery failures on an industrial scale?? What the Union promised us in delaying the ballot sounds as hollow as ever.

Spot on

[HTPostman]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

[LouBarlow]

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.

I have this row/debate with my guvnors daily.
You push people too hard and chase every last minute from people they go the other way.
It's tiring hearing daily how you could have done five to ten minutes more on delivery.
They are making offices less productive in these places.
The harder you work the more they whip you it seems.
Inept, short sighted petty tactics are just coming back to bite them in the backside.
People switch off and just do what they need to do to get through the day.
Good luck with this tactic Royal Mail.
Template for failure.

It’s draining isn’t it? I used to argue back, now I can’t be bothered, I’m done. I’m counting down the days. I just let them babble on knowing on the very rare occasion I am back early they don’t have time to send me back out.

They want it all.
'If you get back early, we will send you back out'.
'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

The opposite is true in my experience. The duty holder will do the job correctly, whereas the casual or day off cover, is the one who turns up early, cuts corners and wrecks the duty. Always leaves the frame in a mess too.

[markyRFC]

'What do you mean you cut off. Duty holder does it with an hour to spare'.
Like being at school....

a blue petter badge for this duty holder. no wonder office are in the state they are in