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How can Union get everybody back on board

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Wigglypark
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by Wigglypark »

gb93 wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 06:52
Well my thoughts are next pay deal.
Monday to Friday 35 hour week with Saturday & Sunday parcels done on mix of overtime & weekend parcel delivery drivers.
If the base 7 hours was 8am to 3pm Mon to Fri that in my opinion would go some way of solving school pick up problems too.
Next deal has to be one that benefits us in some ways too not just waters down RM plans
They can’t get everyone back on board after the sell out,only way forward for union is for everyone on PEC and Ward and his cronies to admit they stitched us up to protect their own interests and then to resign,then maybe the union perhaps could survive with new leadership
glynnlondon
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by glynnlondon »

They can't is the short answer it's everyone for themselves really.
You look after number 1 come in do as little as possible and go home.
With the change in sick and everything else and more on the way no doubt you bide your time till you hopefully can get out the door.
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by yubin282 »

35 hours per week (everybody full-time)
Monday to Friday
5am starts (like the old days)
Another 6% pay rise (along with impending one)
Set break time (conducted if you don't take it)
Ultra rigid work day (do the same jobs everyday, none of this resource to workload/flexibilty nonsense)
£10 per week "specialist skills allowance" for those that can actually do the job correctly (assessed every 6 months)
£10 per week extra for drivers (stops them moaning) only if they actually do a driving duty
Stop easy OT for the favourites
yubin282
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by yubin282 »

Beanyjazz wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 11:06
Ward needs to quite (be voted out) firstly.

Only other option is to have a vote on having an entirely new union leading us, lost faith in CWU.
PWU (postal workers union) how do we get started ?
clashcityrocker
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by clashcityrocker »

Decrease the subs to £1/week (pro rata)
Announce all Area and Delivery reps will do a week each month on delivery.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Woody Guthrie
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by Woody Guthrie »

clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:34
.... Delivery reps will do a week each month on delivery.
Who's going to do my delivery for the rest of the month?
Only dead fish follow the current
clashcityrocker
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by clashcityrocker »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:45
clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:34
.... Delivery reps will do a week each month on delivery.
Who's going to do my delivery for the rest of the month?
I meant Divisional but got over excited.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by pinstripe »

gb93 wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 06:52
Well my thoughts are next pay deal.
Monday to Friday 35 hour week with Saturday & Sunday parcels done on mix of overtime & weekend parcel delivery drivers.
If the base 7 hours was 8am to 3pm Mon to Fri that in my opinion would go some way of solving school pick up problems too.
Next deal has to be one that benefits us in some ways too not just waters down RM plans
My thoughts on the next deal,

No paid meal breaks
Compulsory Sunday working
Commit to deliver
6.00pm last letter
No sick pay except SSP for any absence
No pay rise

And we won’t have a Union leadership willing to stop them
Woody Guthrie
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by Woody Guthrie »

My thoughts on the next deal are that hopefully I won't be any part of it.
Only dead fish follow the current
heraldmoth
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by heraldmoth »

They won’t get us back on board, I’d be very cautious of working anywhere near the 39 hours this winter, never see it again and definitely if you’re gonna be off sick make the most of it
jahbalon
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by jahbalon »

I think we will soon get back to normal quite frankly. I believe the CWU, Davie Ward and Terry Pullinger tried their hearts out for us in very hostile and intractable negotiations with a combative and brutal Simon Thompson and Royal Mail.

Thompson gone now and hopefully the wounds heal soon and everyone can start pulling together again.

It won't be easy, but with a little bit of common sense, goodwill and compromise, I believe we will all get back together again.

" You don't get me, I'm Part of the Union " :Boo hoo!

postslippete
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by postslippete »

pinstripe wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:57
gb93 wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 06:52
Well my thoughts are next pay deal.
Monday to Friday 35 hour week with Saturday & Sunday parcels done on mix of overtime & weekend parcel delivery drivers.
If the base 7 hours was 8am to 3pm Mon to Fri that in my opinion would go some way of solving school pick up problems too.
Next deal has to be one that benefits us in some ways too not just waters down RM plans
My thoughts on the next deal,

No paid meal breaks
Compulsory Sunday working
Commit to deliver
6.00pm last letter
No sick pay except SSP for any absence
No pay rise

And we won’t have a Union leadership willing to stop them

That's the way this company is heading. And they are hoping that they will be able to do all of the above in one master-stroke because they can recruit new staff on less pay, terms and conditions. The gig economy is in sight for RM.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
LancePercival
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by LancePercival »

jahbalon wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 17:14
I think we will soon get back to normal quite frankly. I believe the CWU, Davie Ward and Terry Pullinger tried their hearts out for us in very hostile and intractable negotiations with a combative and brutal Simon Thompson and Royal Mail.

Thompson gone now and hopefully the wounds heal soon and everyone can start pulling together again.

It won't be easy, but with a little bit of common sense, goodwill and compromise, I believe we will all get back together again.

" You don't get me, I'm Part of the Union " :Boo hoo!

Dreamer nothing but a dreamer would be a better song, another 300 hours coming out our office just been announced but coming for you lot in mail centres very soon.
rubberbond
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by rubberbond »

postslippete wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 17:29
pinstripe wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:57
gb93 wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 06:52
Well my thoughts are next pay deal.
Monday to Friday 35 hour week with Saturday & Sunday parcels done on mix of overtime & weekend parcel delivery drivers.
If the base 7 hours was 8am to 3pm Mon to Fri that in my opinion would go some way of solving school pick up problems too.
Next deal has to be one that benefits us in some ways too not just waters down RM plans
My thoughts on the next deal,

No paid meal breaks
Compulsory Sunday working
Commit to deliver
6.00pm last letter
No sick pay except SSP for any absence
No pay rise

And we won’t have a Union leadership willing to stop them

That's the way this company is heading. And they are hoping that they will be able to do all of the above in one master-stroke because they can recruit new staff on less pay, terms and conditions. The gig economy is in sight for RM.
They can’t recruit or retain people now, considering this used to be a coveted job , alas no more.
Nickvilla20
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Re: How can Union get everybody back on board

Post by Nickvilla20 »

rubberbond wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 21:00
postslippete wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 17:29
pinstripe wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 16:57
gb93 wrote:
10 Jul 2023, 06:52
Well my thoughts are next pay deal.
Monday to Friday 35 hour week with Saturday & Sunday parcels done on mix of overtime & weekend parcel delivery drivers.
If the base 7 hours was 8am to 3pm Mon to Fri that in my opinion would go some way of solving school pick up problems too.
Next deal has to be one that benefits us in some ways too not just waters down RM plans
My thoughts on the next deal,

No paid meal breaks
Compulsory Sunday working
Commit to deliver
6.00pm last letter
No sick pay except SSP for any absence
No pay rise

And we won’t have a Union leadership willing to stop them

That's the way this company is heading. And they are hoping that they will be able to do all of the above in one master-stroke because they can recruit new staff on less pay, terms and conditions. The gig economy is in sight for RM.
They can’t recruit or retain people now, considering this used to be a coveted job , alas no more.
Delivery has had a big retention problem for years most newbies were only lasting a few months and I doubt now many would want to apply considering how bad the pay is in comparison to physically easier jobs.

It’s not just Royal Mail who have problems all the courier companies are having retention issues.