Everyone that I've spoken to has agreed it's a sh*te deal.
From a 97% mandate for strike action at the beginning of the year to not even announcing any strike dates within 6 months. It's strange to think that our picket lines were rock solid and very few went in during our 18 day strikes. That anger intensified when the company then brought in un-agreed revisions that ramped up our duties and deliberately failed the USO which led to many offices filing rule 13. But any local strike action has been stalled....for another ground breaking agreement which can only be described as a sell-out on a national scale. It's obvious that Royal Mail are not going to abide by any agreements as we have seen with their actions over closing the CSP's.
So when does a sh*te deal ever become a good one? The company have thrown away our profits at shareholders and then hinted at bankruptcy and administration to a Union that is completely clueless whether it should go sh*t or go shave. At times, the CWU leadership who are pushing this agreement sound more like Royal Mail senior management with every video they post. Personally, I don't care how people vote, but everything (and I mean everything) is being driven by greed and money. And if you have a Union that doesn't stand up for us, then that is something that really needs to change.
The union have been very lucky that there's not been loads of unofficial walkouts around the country
Stuff and Nonsense.
The vast majority of postal workers have had a belly full of strikes which have had zero impact on Royal Mail's stance, there is no appetitie for any more pointless and fruitless strikes.
Given the above, it beggars belief that the misguided and militant no voters on here still cling to their tired old mantra " Strike Brothers " like the Pied Piper of Hamelin leading all posties a merry dance.
Personally if the membership vote yes we have lost ,Royal Mail will know we are weak and in the next few years they will steam roller through whatever they like with little or no response from the CWU,next week is our d-day,all i know is i wont be staying around to be finished off next year,its all down to the membership now ,good luck and hope to see you on the other side some day soon.
Surely if you’re going to leave soon you would take the money and run?
The job has changed as has society in general we aren’t the essential service we once was we are now just a company in the private sector who wants to make as much money as possible.
Unions are weaker generally these days and the only unions who have strength are ones who represent the public sector. Then again that’s not entirely true when you look at the rail and teachers disputes. Sadly unions aren’t the force they used to be.
I'd rather stay and fight,that's just the way my grandfather and father brought me up ,never let anyone treat you like your worthless,sadly this is one fight i cant win on my own but as i said if the members decide they want to be worthless there is nothing i can do so yes then i will take my money and go.
Why would voting yes make you worthless?
What exactly are you fighting for?
These changes are happening or have happened already. Look at ex public companies like BA and BT huge change happened there too. Sadly you can’t fight change.
im fighting to keep sick pay ,ihr and the ability to be paid for the hours i work at least within the same month and hopefully one day an end to the endless bullying and harassment,being in a physically demanding job and to not be paid the first 3 days of sick by a company who spaffed millions on shareholders and the ability to spit you out after giving your body up for the company for years in my opinion makes me feel worthless as do the endless jibes everyday how your not good enough.When the counselling and conduct come in for pda actuals on a yes vote it will get a 100 times worse and it will happen ,as i said before vote yes you've lost ,but i do understand everyone has their own levels of tolorence and worthlessness ,i just have high standards.
That is what we have all been fighting for for nigh on a year now. Nobody wants to lose our hard-fought T&Cs but some of us are pragmatic to appreciate that they are going regardless of what happens with this vote, as RM have clearly stated. And yes, it is perfectly legal for them to do, especially if the company is facing economic ruin, as is possible in the event of a no vote.
The vast majority of postal workers have had a belly full of strikes which have had zero impact on Royal Mail's stance, there is no appetitie for any more pointless and fruitless strikes.
Given the above, it beggars belief that the misguided and militant no voters on here still cling to their tired old mantra " Strike Brothers " like the Pied Piper of Hamelin leading all posties a merry dance.
A 97% mandate for strike action was completely nullified by the CWU because they didn't even announce any strike dates. If any posties are misguided it is because everything that they were originally striking for has been completely taken away by the very Union that called the strikes in the first place....
But it's also completely misguided to believe that voting yes is really going to make things any more palatable. It's nice that we may get a half-decent pay rise (even if it's well below inflation over the 3 years) but beyond that I'm afraid there will still be brutal revisions to jobs, terms and conditions as RM have now turned their attention to those who are surplus to requirements in CSP's.
RM management will be buoyed by their victory over the Union leadership in submitting to their terms and unfortunately that is what happens when you roll over and let your masters tickle your tummy. Given that there was a 97% mandate for strike action I would be very, very surprised if 97% actually voted yes for this deal.
Go figure
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Sometimes in life you get exactly what you deserve.
Remember all this when next year the sobbing and crying about where we are now begins.
Then all this surrender document offers you is more of the same, and you will get more of the same until you all become owner drivers and work until god knows what time.
The union won't help you as by this stage they will just be glad somebody is talking to them and agree to everything.
This new modern slave labour workforce will just toe the line as they can't be arsed to fight their corner.
This could be your future. Or you could choose to do something about it.
I have always posted my vote a few days before the ballot closes, usually I get bombarded with texts asking if I have my voting papers & don’t forget to vote etc this vote I have had nothing, makes you wonder
This could be your future. Or you could choose to do something about it.
I think that empty soundbite would have more substance if anyone had even the slightest clue what that something meant beyond voting no.
Voting no in itself will not help us in the slightest.
It just puts us back to square one.
I remember square one, it was a s**t place to be.
Royal Mail were being dicks, crapping all over our T&Cs, ripping up agreements, sacking reps and members at will, ignoring the union and pushing through change without agreement.
In fact exactly the doomsday scenario you're painting if this agreement is accepted.
So how do we then get back out of the s**t?
What is this "something" you speak so fondly of?
Yes or No how will RM get the workers back on side? Only the odd few, mostly long time posties in my office seem bothered about the job, the rest just plod on quietly quitting
Sometimes in life you get exactly what you deserve.
Remember all this when next year the sobbing and crying about where we are now begins.
Then all this surrender document offers you is more of the same, and you will get more of the same until you all become owner drivers and work until god knows what time.
The union won't help you as by this stage they will just be glad somebody is talking to them and agree to everything.
This new modern slave labour workforce will just toe the line as they can't be arsed to fight their corner.
This could be your future. Or you could choose to do something about it.
What would you do about it then? If a no vote comes in what then? Show us your plan B. All the while consider that RM will be bringing in change while you are initiating said plan, so it better be a good one.
Sometimes in life you get exactly what you deserve.
Remember all this when next year the sobbing and crying about where we are now begins.
Then all this surrender document offers you is more of the same, and you will get more of the same until you all become owner drivers and work until god knows what time.
The union won't help you as by this stage they will just be glad somebody is talking to them and agree to everything.
This new modern slave labour workforce will just toe the line as they can't be arsed to fight their corner.
This could be your future. Or you could choose to do something about it.
What would you do about it then? If a no vote comes in what then? Show us your plan B. All the while consider that RM will be bringing in change while you are initiating said plan, so it better be a good one.
What part of i do not have to give you a plan B do you not understand.
There is no mention of a plan B anywhere on the agreement and that's what we are voting on.
Lou you like to give a lot of horror stories of what could happen in the event of a NO vote, i was merely pointing out the possible outcome of a yes vote.
In a weeks time we will know the outcome and our fates will be settled. Until then less scaremongering would be nice.
"Royal Mail were being dicks, crapping all over our T&Cs, ripping up agreements, sacking reps and members at will, ignoring the union and pushing through change without agreement.”
Pretty sure they are still doing that or have I missed something? The latest changes to the CSP opening hours indicates they are prepared to still push though changes egene whilst the votes ongoing, it's worrying to think what they'll do once voting does end.
Personally if the membership vote yes we have lost ,Royal Mail will know we are weak and in the next few years they will steam roller through whatever they like with little or no response from the CWU,next week is our d-day,all i know is i wont be staying around to be finished off next year,its all down to the membership now ,good luck and hope to see you on the other side some day soon.
Surely if you’re going to leave soon you would take the money and run?
The job has changed as has society in general we aren’t the essential service we once was we are now just a company in the private sector who wants to make as much money as possible.
Unions are weaker generally these days and the only unions who have strength are ones who represent the public sector. Then again that’s not entirely true when you look at the rail and teachers disputes. Sadly unions aren’t the force they used to be.
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I'd rather stay and fight,that's just the way my grandfather and father brought me up ,never let anyone treat you like your worthless,sadly this is one fight i cant win on my own but as i said if the members decide they want to be worthless there is nothing i can do so yes then i will take my money and go.
Why would voting yes make you worthless?
What exactly are you fighting for?
These changes are happening or have happened already. Look at ex public companies like BA and BT huge change happened there too. Sadly you can’t fight change.
im fighting to keep sick pay ,ihr and the ability to be paid for the hours i work at least within the same month and hopefully one day an end to the endless bullying and harassment,being in a physically demanding job and to not be paid the first 3 days of sick by a company who spaffed millions on shareholders and the ability to spit you out after giving your body up for the company for years in my opinion makes me feel worthless as do the endless jibes everyday how your not good enough.When the counselling and conduct come in for pda actuals on a yes vote it will get a 100 times worse and it will happen ,as i said before vote yes you've lost ,but i do understand everyone has their own levels of tolorence and worthlessness ,i just have high standards.
That is what we have all been fighting for for nigh on a year now. Nobody wants to lose our hard-fought T&Cs but some of us are pragmatic to appreciate that they are going regardless of what happens with this vote, as RM have clearly stated. And yes, it is perfectly legal for them to do, especially if the company is facing economic ruin, as is possible in the event of a no vote.
Sounds like you have surrendered too,which is your right to do so. Why would they face economic ruin on a NO vote if they are going to bring it in anyway as the union and you say,surely a No vote would give them a better chance of survival ,personally i think they have bullied and frightened you into voting yes,me i'll never be frightened to stand up for what i believe in,at the end of the day its only a job, what are you so frightened about.
I think there's more fear in voting no than yes.
It appears despite pages and pages of these threads and countless opportunities to articulate what people actually want to see after a no vote there is little thought to the future beyond a desperate attempt to cling to the past regardless of the damage it might cause.
If people were talking about building momentum to take on Royal Mail I would get it, if they could see a clear way forward it would be brave and make sense but this appears to be nothing more than voting no and praying for divine intervention so that things don't change.
At least the yes voters are brave enough to commit themselves to something tangible and not some unknown and mysterious potential future possible thing that nobody can be arsed thinking about.
Surrendering to fate is basically surrendering to fear.
Sounds like you have surrendered too,which is your right to do so. Why would they face economic ruin on a NO vote if they are going to bring it in anyway as the union and you say,surely a No vote would give them a better chance of survival ,personally i think they have bullied and frightened you into voting yes,me i'll never be frightened to stand up for what i believe in,at the end of the day its only a job, what are you so frightened about.
It is a job I still enjoy doing. I’m not constantly moaning about the good old days pre-privatisation which is the world a lot of posties think we can get back to by voting out this agreement.
Your statement seems to be very contradictory as it states that our role is ‘just a job’ but then you go out of your way to insist you will fight to the death to keep it.
Oh dear...
There's a cull in processing coming. You voted yes
Its not a cull its a massacare.an i still voted YES. the point is rm an cwu have said get rid of agency staff.how they do it without agency staff on every shift i do not know nothing will move
like the Pied Piper of Hamelin leading all posties a merry dance. 
