Have to vote No

[Foxel]

If the union is advising you to vote yes then it dictates that they will benefit, no? Why would they suggest it otherwise?

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[LouBarlow]

If the union is advising you to vote yes then it dictates that they will benefit, no? Why would they suggest it otherwise?

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We are the union.

[Foxel]

We are the union.

Then as the union, I'm advising a no vote and also demanding a share in any wages paid out to the union decision-makers.

[daveyeff]

I see Simon Thompson is getting a £700,000 golden goodbye out of all this....gettin his payment for doing exactly what he was brought in to do. Seems like pure provocation to me....i couldnt have voted yes even if i wanted to.

[LouBarlow]

We are the union.

Then as the union, I'm advising a no vote and also demanding a share in any wages paid out to the union decision-makers.

The first part is fine, as ill-conceived an idea as it might be, but I don’t have a clue what the second half of that post is about.

[dazzler123]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

[LouBarlow]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

How can you blame the agreement for a problem you are having today? Explain to me the thinking on that one. It isn’t even functioning yet.

[dazzler123]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

How can you blame the agreement for a problem you are having today? Explain to me the thinking on that one. It isn’t even functioning yet.

Because its indicative how they are happy to treat staff now

[77SAMPOST77]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

How can you blame the agreement for a problem you are having today? Explain to me the thinking on that one. It isn’t even functioning yet.

Because its indicative how they are happy to treat staff now

And it will get worse with a yes vote ,

Voted no and proud to have done so .

[Numberone63]

I’d love to have been able to cast my vote. However I haven’t had a ballot paper yet. I can only guess that because I am currently on six months career break that I’m not eligible for a vote. So I’ve paid subscriptions for 14 years. But now because I’m not earning and therefore not contributing to the cwu I don’t get a vote. Very poor.

[LouBarlow]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

How can you blame the agreement for a problem you are having today? Explain to me the thinking on that one. It isn’t even functioning yet.

Because its indicative how they are happy to treat staff now

They are hardly going to treat staff better if a no vote is returned. Even less union involvement in that case.

[Woody Guthrie]

Voted no and proud to have done so .

Let's hope nemesis does not follow in the wake of your hubris.

[daveyeff]

We are understaffed as is, and today 2 decent workers were sent home to 'cool off'. On Saturday they were taken off their own duty 2 cover another pair. They ended up taking the parcels as they didnt know it, and early sat finish. Manager came out to them on duty demanding to know why they didnt take any mail. nasty tactics, if you vote yes you say you are ok with it

How can you blame the agreement for a problem you are having today? Explain to me the thinking on that one. It isn’t even functioning yet.

Because its indicative how they are happy to treat staff now

They are hardly going to treat staff better if a no vote is returned. Even less union involvement in that case.

How will there be less union involvement if its a no?

[Woody Guthrie]

How will there be less union involvement if its a no?

Where you been for the last 12 months davey?

A huge part of this dispute has been about trying to remove union influence in the workplace, they've tore up agreements, stopped release, dismissed reps, given notice on check off and employed union busting consultants from the US.

The agreement restores all that and gives the union and therefore the membership some input in the inevitable changes that are coming our way.

A no vote means we are back to square one, in fact I would say square minus one because in their eyes Royal Mail have just wasted 12 months trying to reach an agreement and they won't and can't waste any more time.

In my humble opinion if this deal is rejected those on the board who never really wanted a deal in the first place will take control, they'll say the "doves" have had their chance and failed so it's time to go down a different path.

It is not going to be pretty...

[sindba]

How will there be less union involvement if its a no?

The agreement restores all that and gives the union and therefore the membership some input in the inevitable changes that are coming our way.

Lol. Course it does.