The case for a No Vote - Monday 7pm

[guardianangel]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

They have worn the cwu down,its never over until the fat lady sings that's why you have to vote NO,the older ones should be leading from the front and telling the young one's it doesn't have to be this way,with a gig economy they will never own their own home,never retire and never get the money they deserve ,still find it hard to believe governments and corporations have beaten us down and how we have become so apathetic we even start to think we are worthless,well im not, im not long off sitting in the sunshine reaping the benefits of the one's that went before me who fought hard so we could have a decent life and nice retirement ,its not hard to grasp whether its a private corporation or not,maybe a big NO will bankrupt them but maybe it will make others sit up and think.Its all about the bigger picture not just Royal Mail.If its going down the gig economy route there are 1000's of jobs out there in the gig so maybe just maybe its worth taking a punt on a NO,as i said either way it doesn't really effect me ,i'd be better off with more money with a yes vote but was always brought up to never except less than i'm worth and never let people treat you like your worthless so on that it was always going to be a NO for me.

[guardianangel]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

We are also not an essential service so we don’t even have that bargaining chip anymore. I don’t like the deal but it is what it is.

See you've been beaten down already,why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like ,i've never been able to figure it out ,i don't like something i vote NO ,jeez i despair sometimes.

[Woody Guthrie]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

[Nickvilla20]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

We are also not an essential service so we don’t even have that bargaining chip anymore. I don’t like the deal but it is what it is.

See you've been beaten down already,why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like ,i've never been able to figure it out ,i don't like something i vote NO ,jeez i despair sometimes.

I’ve not been beaten down I’m just been pragmatic. We aren’t the only delivery company out there the only reason we’re the only ones who deliver letters is because no one else wants to.

I’ve noticed you’ve been very vocal about voting no on here and seem to think anybody considering voting for the deal is thick or has no backbone so what do you think is going to change if the deal is rejected?

The business made huge losses last year and yes that not our fault but for the union to get us a decent pay rise for some concessions isn’t particularly bad. I don’t want to start later and I really think the sick pay element isn’t good but the rest I can live with and I think many other will be the same.

I’ve done 20 years with the company across many functions and my top priority is been paid. If the job starts getting too bad then I will find something else but for now it’s still better than most things out there.

[pieoftheday]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

[Woody Guthrie]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.

They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.

It doesn't.

The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.

[aiden01]

Dont want aiden greeting into his lunch so will resist the temptation .

Go for it your good at it

[thefox]

Na

[LouBarlow]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

The alternative has been spelt out for you numerous times, even directly from the PEC on this very forum. People don’t want to believe it, but RM, the CWU and the PEC are not likely to be wrong when it comes to how calamitous it would be in the event of this agreement being thrown out.

[pieoftheday]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.

They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.

It doesn't.

The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.

Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep

[jahbalon]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.

They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.

It doesn't.

The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.

Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep

You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[guardianangel]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

We are also not an essential service so we don’t even have that bargaining chip anymore. I don’t like the deal but it is what it is.

See you've been beaten down already,why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like ,i've never been able to figure it out ,i don't like something i vote NO ,jeez i despair sometimes.

I’ve not been beaten down I’m just been pragmatic. We aren’t the only delivery company out there the only reason we’re the only ones who deliver letters is because no one else wants to.

I’ve noticed you’ve been very vocal about voting no on here and seem to think anybody considering voting for the deal is thick or has no backbone so what do you think is going to change if the deal is rejected?

The business made huge losses last year and yes that not our fault but for the union to get us a decent pay rise for some concessions isn’t particularly bad. I don’t want to start later and I really think the sick pay element isn’t good but the rest I can live with and I think many other will be the same.

I’ve done 20 years with the company across many functions and my top priority is been paid. If the job starts getting too bad then I will find something else but for now it’s still better than most things out there.

Domt worry there is a lot of people who see it your way,surrender is human nature when your backs are against the wall,that's why we are where we are.

[Woody Guthrie]

Sometimes running head first into battle without a clue knowing you're going to get f****d over is just a dumber way to surrender.

[Nickvilla20]

Surrender?? It’s not a life and death situation it’s a semi skilled job with OKish pay and decent work hours.

[pieoftheday]

why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out

Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?

You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....

It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.

They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.

It doesn't.

The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.

Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep

You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union