The case for a No Vote - Monday 7pm

[Bob Cooney]

Those who say there is no better deal would have to explain why for example £8000 for IHR is " affordable " but £9000 isn't etc but they won't be able to

You could go through the sick pay and all the terms and conditions and ask the same question but we are led to beleive not one penny more can be gained from RM

It's a bullshit hence why Ward & co are now trying to punt a review where there "maybe" opportunity to reverse aspects of sick pay but like many other parts of the agreement its after the vote

[guardianangel]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

[77SAMPOST77]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

[richietns]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

[Nickvilla20]

I have already voted NO,anyone with any common sense will realise they are slowly turning it into a gig economy and taking away all the hard fought rights achieved over generations,its not just Royal Mail its a lot of corporate companies extracting money from workers and lining their pockets.With only a few years left and many strikes and battles over the years i will do my one last bit to try and save the rights for the younger people coming through so my conscience will be clear i tried to help them. As i slowly wind down with my good pension fought for by my father and grandfather i hand over the reins to the younger one's ,things will not come easy it will be a struggle and a fight,will they be brave enough or let the weak cwu talk them into worse conditions for years to come,the train,doctors,nurses,teachers unions are standing firm and fighting .Attacks on workers is at its worse for 100 years and a line in the sand has been drawn ,which side will you be on,never live life with regrets and look back and think i should of,good luck comrades vote with your heart and what you think is right or wrong tomorrow will take care of itself.

Its a private corporation this is what they do the union has staved it off for a decade this would of been done almost immediately otherwise its not hard to grasp.

We are also not an essential service so we don’t even have that bargaining chip anymore. I don’t like the deal but it is what it is.

[Woody Guthrie]

I think to be fair we've been sheltered for a long time in this job from the s**t that goes on in the real world and the union and obviously its members have to take the credit for that.

There's a job advertised in a local supermarket warehouse for what appears at first glance to be a straight 2-10 but in the small print it says your shift can start anytime between 1 and 4 variable on a daily basis. That's the sort of s**t we're up against.

If I thought for a moment that voting no would stop or even slow this down I wouldn't hesitate but I've been through all of the possible scenarios and the complete lack of any genuine alternative or even anyone at a senior level in the union willing to put their head above the water and back a rejection leads me to believe that a rejection of this agreement will actually accelerate the degradation of our terms and conditions.

Call me a sellout w****r if you like.

[thefox]

Dont want aiden greeting into his lunch so will resist the temptation .

[Shadedpostie]

I think to be fair we've been sheltered for a long time in this job from the s**t that goes on in the real world and the union and obviously its members have to take the credit for that.

There's a job advertised in a local supermarket warehouse for what appears at first glance to be a straight 2-10 but in the small print it says your shift can start anytime between 1 and 4 variable on a daily basis. That's the sort of s**t we're up against.

If I thought for a moment that voting no would stop or even slow this down I wouldn't hesitate but I've been through all of the possible scenarios and the complete lack of any genuine alternative or even anyone at a senior level in the union willing to put their head above the water and back a rejection leads me to believe that a rejection of this agreement will actually accelerate the degradation of our terms and conditions.

Call me a sellout w****r if you like.

Pretty much my stance honestly. Unless the union have some solid plan as to get these changes removed and get a better deal then would vote accordingly. I went to majority of the picket lines, hell didn't do a single scrap of overtime because thought that was going to help. But, that's ultimately was my choice, I could have come in broke the strike or did overtime the next day to save myself.

Think the majority of us that went on strike do feel let down by the deal end of the day. But, say anyone that went on strike but is voting yes to the deal isn't weak or selling out. They at least tried to fight as long as they could. Some people just have a limit, and a think some people's limits ran out months ago. It's no doubt people are struggling now, especially during this living crisis. However, do get voting based on not being able to pick up the kids or not having enough time in day to do the things you want to do. Best thing now is to vote and deal with whatever outcome comes.

[TopperGas]

Why not just do a YouTube live? It would get more viewer's.

But they don't collect our contract details that way??

[postslippete]

Pretty much my stance honestly. Unless the union have some solid plan as to get these changes removed and get a better deal then would vote accordingly. I went to majority of the picket lines, hell didn't do a single scrap of overtime because thought that was going to help. But, that's ultimately was my choice, I could have come in broke the strike or did overtime the next day to save myself.

Think the majority of us that went on strike do feel let down by the deal end of the day. But, say anyone that went on strike but is voting yes to the deal isn't weak or selling out. They at least tried to fight as long as they could. Some people just have a limit, and a think some people's limits ran out months ago. It's no doubt people are struggling now, especially during this living crisis. However, do get voting based on not being able to pick up the kids or not having enough time in day to do the things you want to do. Best thing now is to vote and deal with whatever outcome comes.

The irony of our picket line is that half of them were back in work early on overtime the very next day trying to clear 2 days worth of mail in just 1 on their own duties!!

[LouBarlow]

Pretty much my stance honestly. Unless the union have some solid plan as to get these changes removed and get a better deal then would vote accordingly. I went to majority of the picket lines, hell didn't do a single scrap of overtime because thought that was going to help. But, that's ultimately was my choice, I could have come in broke the strike or did overtime the next day to save myself.

Think the majority of us that went on strike do feel let down by the deal end of the day. But, say anyone that went on strike but is voting yes to the deal isn't weak or selling out. They at least tried to fight as long as they could. Some people just have a limit, and a think some people's limits ran out months ago. It's no doubt people are struggling now, especially during this living crisis. However, do get voting based on not being able to pick up the kids or not having enough time in day to do the things you want to do. Best thing now is to vote and deal with whatever outcome comes.

The irony of our picket line is that half of them were back in work early on overtime the very next day trying to clear 2 days worth of mail in just 1 on their own duties!!

So are you knocking them for striking or working OT so they can afford to strike? People like those you mention are the reason the union has managed to squeeze a pay-rise out of a company posting record losses.

[postslippete]

So are you knocking them for striking or working OT so they can afford to strike? People like those you mention are the reason the union has managed to squeeze a pay-rise out of a company posting record losses.

I don't know Lou. In some ways I could understand people working their days off because of the absence of any strike fund. At the time I seriously doubted that the business was losing over a million pounds a day when they didn't need to pay over 90% of its workers on a strike day. And whilst some of them got in a bit of overtime afterwards, the company often just kept failing the USO whenever it could in the days that followed. How many contracts were lost? What compensation has Royal Mail actually paid out? Nobody knows. The company's financial position is dubious at best imho.

[Ppat98]

Why not just do a YouTube live? It would get more viewer's.

But they don't collect our contract details that way??

Don't understand what you mean.

[richj2009]

Pride is a bitch and unfortunately for us it doesn't pay the bills. Same can be said for principles. Ignore these two intruders and its yes all the way. Stand by them and its an overwhelming no vote.

[k979aaa]

Does anyone need a case the info is out there you don't need people telling you how to vote. You all have minds and can use them do some digging on the deal and find your own decision and conclusion how you vote. The only thing I say is use your vote before the deadline!