That will be the same unskilled workforce among others who carried the country during covid while others lay on their sunloungers getting pished everyday
f**k off and grow a set
McDonald’s workers earn the same as us now
Fact
If McDonald's is the best example you could find, then it proves Lou's point. I've known many people who've worked in McDonald's & most hated it because always on your feet in a small space because of constant order's.
& your exaggerating our efforts during covid. As important as it was, we pushed kit's through door's. it wasn't some heroic, selfless act your making it out to be. The selfless people were medical staff.
One of the reasons we are where we are is because of this attitude, "exaggerating our efforts during covid" and "we pushed kits through doors".
If that's all you did during covid then you weren't in delivery.
We had to deal with a explosion in parcels where it was like xmas every day, a lack of staff as people shielded and went off sick with covid and permanently trying to catch up on the backlog.
If you went through all that to give this company record profits and then watch them toss it all to themselves and shareholders you are entitled to be a little miffed.
You obviously believe we do very little for too much money, i and many others don't.
The union have sold us short, any sane person realises that, its if you can live with it or not and i and others like me can't.
Even after Postman posted proof that plan b isn't viable. You still have the simple caveman thinker's scratching their heads, trying to think of more reasons to vote No
You must have a great intellect thinking anyone who vote No is a caveman.
Plan B is a quote thought up by the union to try to get us to give them a alternative to voting yes.
We don't have to give a alternative by voting NO, that's what we pay subs to the union for.
If they just want us all to vote yes then why bother voting, sure impose it like the company do.
Ah but democracy gets in the way, damn peoples ability to vote yes/no if only we were in Russia then we would get our way.
Plan B should be anything but plan A if a no vote wins, its as simple as that or maybe that's to simplistic for you.
One of the reasons we are where we are is because of this attitude, "exaggerating our efforts during covid" and "we pushed kits through doors".
If that's all you did during covid then you weren't in delivery.
We had to deal with a explosion in parcels where it was like xmas every day, a lack of staff as people shielded and went off sick with covid and permanently trying to catch up on the backlog.
If you went through all that to give this company record profits and then watch them toss it all to themselves and shareholders you are entitled to be a little miffed.
You obviously believe we do very little for too much money, i and many others don't.
The union have sold us short, any sane person realises that, its if you can live with it or not and i and others like me can't.
So you think we are in this mess because postmans abilities during covid were overlooked. Once again showing simple & biased reasoning.
The main reason we are in this mess is cause Rm misused fund's. Also what alot of people don't want to come to terms with is the delivery industry is changing.
If you really think pushing through packets & mail through door is a skill you need your head checking & being overwhelmed by packet's in a once in a 100 year event doesn't mean squat.
By your reasoning Ocado & asda driver's are skilled too because they were overwhelmed during covid.
Oh & dominoes pizza were overwhelmed with orders during covid. Those pizza delivery guy's must be skilled aswell eh.
We are well paid though. Go and look at alternative employment for similar skill sets and you might be in for a shock. Unless you have training or qualifications then you aren’t going to be making this money in other unskilled industries.
That will be the same unskilled workforce among others who carried the country during covid while others lay on their sunloungers getting pished everyday
f**k off and grow a set
McDonald’s workers earn the same as us now
Fact
Your comments get more aggressive and inane by the day. You obviously don't believe the CWU or RM when they say the company is in dire financial straits. If it goes into administration as Andy Furey alluded to last evening the job losses will be in the tens of thousand and they will be under basic statutory redundancy rules. You may think that getting all fired up and telling everybody to "grow a set" is a strategy to solve the dispute but many more don't. Ordinary posties on here don't lack courage. They fear for their jobs and their future. Don't mistake being pragmatic with lack of courage.
We don't have to give a alternative by voting NO, that's what we pay subs to the union for.
No you're right you don't have to come up with an alternative for the union but you do have to come up with one for yourself before you vote.
That's what voting is.
If I vote yes this might happen.
If I vote no this might happen.
You can't vote for either unless you're reasonably sure what that vote might mean.
If no was a political party would you vote for it without even knowing what it stood for or how it would affect you?
Voting no is not just a rejection of this deal, it's also an acceptance of the consequences. It might be a good idea to consider them and come up with a likely alternative at least in your own head before you commit to voting for it.
We don't have to give a alternative by voting NO, that's what we pay subs to the union for.
No you're right you don't have to come up with an alternative for the union but you do have to come up with one for yourself before you vote.
That's what voting is.
If I vote yes this might happen.
If I vote no this might happen.
You can't vote for either unless you're reasonably sure what that vote might mean.
If no was a political party would you vote for it without even knowing what it stood for or how it would affect you?
Voting no is not just a rejection of this deal, it's also an acceptance of the consequences. It might be a good idea to consider them and come up with a likely alternative at least in your own head before you commit to voting for it.
Well, not really. We vote for political parties based on manifestos. So when the party does what it says on the manifestos (occasionally) and it's crap, we have to go, "well yeah we signed up to it so hey-ho". When they do the opposite or just do whatever they feel like, at least we've got a good deal of clout with public opinion if it isn't suiting us. At the moment our own union is asking us to do the first one when they should be the outright opposition to RM's shite.
Praying that an employment tribunal will save you from an imposed change of contract is not a plan B.
And no the CWU doesn't have to provide legal support, not if they don't believe your case has a reasonable chance of success.
Later starts would be an easy win for Royal Mail, removing the planes is a justified business change on both economic and environmental grounds.
Seasonal hours would be another easy win since they're not planning to change your pay structure at all.
At best you might buy some time but these proposals have been on the table a long time so I don't know how much more consultation you could ask for.
Sick absence and IHR would still be better than most companies so no tribunal is likely to even look at that as unfair.
Some individuals would have a case with their particular circumstances but the majority would get nowhere.
Most of the people that sit on these panels are pro-business Telegraph reading lawyers and judges and employment law is not like criminal law, it's just a collection of ever moving interpretations of the latest case precedent.
If this is genuinely all people have as an alternative to accepting the deal we really are struggling.
They cant bring in seasonal hours and pay you 8 months later the law strictly states they have to pay you for hours worked within 12 weeks ,they can do seasonal hours but i'd want paying this year and get paid less on the shorter weeks ,i wouldn't trust Royal Mail to keep my money in their bank.
One of the reasons we are where we are is because of this attitude, "exaggerating our efforts during covid" and "we pushed kits through doors".
If that's all you did during covid then you weren't in delivery.
We had to deal with a explosion in parcels where it was like xmas every day, a lack of staff as people shielded and went off sick with covid and permanently trying to catch up on the backlog.
If you went through all that to give this company record profits and then watch them toss it all to themselves and shareholders you are entitled to be a little miffed.
You obviously believe we do very little for too much money, i and many others don't.
The union have sold us short, any sane person realises that, its if you can live with it or not and i and others like me can't.
So you think we are in this mess because postmans abilities during covid were overlooked. Once again showing simple & biased reasoning.
The main reason we are in this mess is cause Rm misused fund's. Also what alot of people don't want to come to terms with is the delivery industry is changing.
If you really think pushing through packets & mail through door is a skill you need your head checking & being overwhelmed by packet's in a once in a 100 year event doesn't mean squat.
By your reasoning Ocado & asda driver's are skilled too because they were overwhelmed during covid.
Oh & dominoes pizza were overwhelmed with orders during covid. Those pizza delivery guy's must be skilled aswell eh.
Where did i say we are in this mess because of covid?
We all know why we are in this mess.
Are you working in deliveries?
I am glad you have such a low opinion of us and the job we do, it must be a joy to work with you.
If you think all we do is push mail and packets through a door i am afraid you need your head checking.
Obviously you do this professionally, and not very well i may add, continue with your trolling.
