Work to time the Government only responsibility under the postal services act is to ensure the USO in its purest form is protected. That means a delivery of first and second class items which are covered by the USO.
All other streams of mail which currently get delivered by going out on the core would not be covered. The moment the government used public money to deliver parcels it would be classed as anti competitive and would be taken to court by the like Evry , DPD and Amazon.
Don’t you think we all checked all of this ? We would have lost thousands upon thousands of jobs from day one from it going into administration. Do you think any union should play Russian roulette with our members jobs ? Do you think if we had not have done the agreement and ended in that place our members would have been far more outraged.
even if the government had to step in we would walk away with a dam site more vr that what you have in your deal of the century , so there is no job losses in your agreement ? what about posties who cant work later than they do now , weve had 4 f/t senior posties leave ( non been replaced by the way ) in the last 3 weeks to go to other jobs , when you decide to send the ballot papers out you will see how outraged members are and then check how many members have stopped paying subs .
Steve Jim the reason the ballot has been paused and the only reason is that we have an agreement which clearly states no more executive action , the use of the IR framework and joint working and yet we have plenty of examples where this is not the case in units or areas.
We want the company to pull in line these managers and we want them to be committed to resolving imposed revisions and quality of services including where recruitment is needed.
We also want a pause on any further revisions until the all the above has been done and review of productivity has taken place including DPRs.
There is a meeting tomorrow with our officers and Royal Mail over this.
If the commitments are not achieved then the Postal Executive are meeting Wednesday.
We are all big boys Martin, if you are saying the union had no idea this has been going on from day one i am going to have to call bullshit on that one.
I am afraid its a convenient one for you and the union to hide behind, but thats ok, what exactly do you think is going to happen if they just ignore the unions threat, you have to have your little meeting and do what?
Backed into a corner and nowhere to go.
How as a union you have allowed yourselves to be pushed into this position is beyond me.
I think you should have your vote and let the membership show you the direction of travel and take it from there, the company are laughing behind your back and no matter what they say tomorrow will just do whatever they want.
If you have a Yes/No vote in the bank at least you have something to wave in their faces.
You have a negotiator's agreement that has not been passed by the Union members, so we do not really have an agreement yet.
They was no need to delay the vote because of the present pre-agreement behaviour. The agreement itself will not stop all ills, that is why the Union has to constantly monitor and be ready to voice disapproval or ultimately go back into some form on industrial action in future.
Yes, we all know that the conflict has enabled RM and their managers to ride rough shoes of IR and normal cooperative behaviour; but it has cut both ways...
Knowing start times is a Red Herring because the business is dynamic and things are constantly changing and the interactions of many different changes sometimes cannot be accurately predicted or have unintended consequences.
The more people think that there is a conspiracy, the more members the Union loses and the more members lose faith in the Union, subsequently, it might be a NO!
I think you folks have to communicate better and be more empathetic and appeal to folks better nature, and accept that there were missteps from the Union.
Work to time the Government only responsibility under the postal services act is to ensure the USO in its purest form is protected. That means a delivery of first and second class items which are covered by the USO.
I wonder if they'd actually protect more than that. Surely it's pretty important for the government to keep everything moving. Keep businesses that use Royal Mail in business.
Anyhow, I don't have the stats on how understaffed Royal Mail is in terms of fulfilling the USO. Everyone knows we are far from fulfilling the USO as it is. So again - would we actually have to lose that many staff if Royal Mail went into administration. I wouldn't even be surprised if the government would actually have to employ MORE staff to fulfil the 6 day USO. As I keep saying - our office is massively understaffed and I keep hearing other offices are a mess too.
Even if we lost the people that joined over the past year - I could not care less - that's how things go. I have worked for a company before where I was last in and they lost a big client, therefore I was the first kicked out the door. It sucks, but it is what it is.
Steve Jim the reason the ballot has been paused and the only reason is that we have an agreement which clearly states no more executive action , the use of the IR framework and joint working and yet we have plenty of examples where this is not the case in units or areas.
We want the company to pull in line these managers and we want them to be committed to resolving imposed revisions and quality of services including where recruitment is needed.
We also want a pause on any further revisions until the all the above has been done and review of productivity has taken place including DPRs.
There is a meeting tomorrow with our officers and Royal Mail over this.
If the commitments are not achieved then the Postal Executive are meeting Wednesday.
We are all big boys Martin, if you are saying the union had no idea this has been going on from day one i am going to have to call bullshit on that one.
I am afraid its a convenient one for you and the union to hide behind, but thats ok, what exactly do you think is going to happen if they just ignore the unions threat, you have to have your little meeting and do what?
Backed into a corner and nowhere to go.
How as a union you have allowed yourselves to be pushed into this position is beyond me.
I think you should have your vote and let the membership show you the direction of travel and take it from there, the company are laughing behind your back and no matter what they say tomorrow will just do whatever they want.
If you have a Yes/No vote in the bank at least you have something to wave in their faces.
"We want the company to pull in line these managers"
Now you're taking the piss. These are not rogue managers as Darren Jones called them and you know it .
Just send the ballot papers out, stop stalling.
You are dividing the workforce and ultimately the union. You need to address the bloody mess that is ongoing in delivery .
You know it's there, this time Delivery has had enough .
Steve Jim the reason the ballot has been paused and the only reason is that we have an agreement which clearly states no more executive action , the use of the IR framework and joint working and yet we have plenty of examples where this is not the case in units or areas.
We want the company to pull in line these managers and we want them to be committed to resolving imposed revisions and quality of services including where recruitment is needed.
We also want a pause on any further revisions until the all the above has been done and review of productivity has taken place including DPRs.
There is a meeting tomorrow with our officers and Royal Mail over this.
If the commitments are not achieved then the Postal Executive are meeting Wednesday.
We are all big boys Martin, if you are saying the union had no idea this has been going on from day one i am going to have to call bullshit on that one.
I am afraid its a convenient one for you and the union to hide behind, but thats ok, what exactly do you think is going to happen if they just ignore the unions threat, you have to have your little meeting and do what?
Backed into a corner and nowhere to go.
How as a union you have allowed yourselves to be pushed into this position is beyond me.
I think you should have your vote and let the membership show you the direction of travel and take it from there, the company are laughing behind your back and no matter what they say tomorrow will just do whatever they want.
If you have a Yes/No vote in the bank at least you have something to wave in their faces.
"We want the company to pull in line these managers"
Now you're taking the piss. These are not rogue managers as Darren Jones called them and you know it .
Just send the ballot papers out, stop stalling.
You are dividing the workforce and ultimately the union. You need to address the bloody mess that is ongoing in delivery .
You know it's there, this time Delivery has had enough .
We want the company to pull in line these managers and we want them to be committed to resolving imposed revisions and quality of services including where recruitment is needed.
We also want a pause on any further revisions until the all the above has been done and review of productivity has taken place including DPRs.
We are all big boys Martin, if you are saying the union had no idea this has been going on from day one i am going to have to call bullshit on that one.
"We want the company to pull in line these managers"
Now you're taking the piss. These are not rogue managers as Darren Jones called them and you know it .
Just send the ballot papers out, stop stalling.
You are dividing the workforce and ultimately the union. You need to address the bloody mess that is ongoing in delivery .
You know it's there, this time Delivery has had enough .
You're correct as far as my (fully compliant and possibly test-case) office is concerned.
The union rep has done the table-top revision>revision>revision and it just got worse. What the brief is, is anyones guess because they refuse to say.
The shopfloor managers are running around like headless chickens, they're a good bunch comparably and they're begging for a proper revision but 2 different ones admitted that they'll never get it since the higher-ups know that it'll mean putting duties back in and cutting the duty overkill and staffing the place.
The union and upper management are now just bullshitting.
Spidey-sense senses fear and either desperation disparation from them.
[quote="Martin Walsh" post_id=1057893 time=1685370054 user_id=2975]
Steve Jim the reason the ballot has been paused and the only reason is that we have an agreement which clearly states no more executive action , the use of the IR framework and joint working and yet we have plenty of examples where this is not the case in units or areas.
We want the company to pull in line these managers and we want them to be committed to resolving imposed revisions and quality of services including where recruitment is needed.
We also want a pause on any further revisions until the all the above has been done and review of productivity has taken place including DPRs.
There is a meeting tomorrow with our officers and Royal Mail over this.
If the commitments are not achieved then the Postal Executive are meeting Wednesday.
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Several weeks after I left the business and I can't believe that the union are still trying to bullshit their members like this.
Let the members have their vote on the agreement. If management are showing no signs of reigning in their behaviour then that will obviously have an influence on how members vote.
When the no vote is delivered then the union can get on with using their mandate for industrial action (that they seem determined to ignore) to force RM to either deliver an acceptable deal or else call in administrators.
If, on the other hand, members actually vote in favour then the union leadership should hang their heads in shame and resign en masse having sold the membership down the river, as it would simply be a vote reflecting the total lack of faith that members have in the abilities of the union to represent them effectively.
Our office has a revision starting next week.
Medium sized office already running on o/t for most walks to clear on at least 3 days of the week.
Understaffed, so the walks that are left uncovered are in a total mess.
200 calls average added onto EVERY duty.
As we have no office rep because he is still suspended, the area rep has signed this off.
Martin, you continue to ignore what is going on.
Our office has a revision starting next week.
Medium sized office already running on o/t for most walks to clear on at least 3 days of the week.
Understaffed, so the walks that are left uncovered are in a total mess.
200 calls average added onto EVERY duty.
As we have no office rep because he is still suspended, the area rep has signed this off.
Martin, you continue to ignore what is going on.
Our office has a revision starting next week.
Medium sized office already running on o/t for most walks to clear on at least 3 days of the week.
Understaffed, so the walks that are left uncovered are in a total mess.
200 calls average added onto EVERY duty.
As we have no office rep because he is still suspended, the area rep has signed this off.
Martin, you continue to ignore what is going on.
And how many still start early and finish early?
We have 1 that just can't be told.
Weirdly he doesn't do it to finish early.
Point is, the local union have signed off something that everyone knows is unachievable.
Seems to me this is at odds with the union's stance.
So what chance do we have with a union ignoring its own arguments?
What’s happened to finding out our start and finish times thats was supposed to happen last week our rep doesn’t know anything
All becoming more ridiculous by the day , let us vote ffs
What’s happened to finding out our start and finish times thats was supposed to happen last week our rep doesn’t know anything
All becoming more ridiculous by the day , let us vote ffs
Last week, you are being generous
Martin said before the original deadline that they were nearly ready to put them out !
beyond a joke now as this is important to a lot of peoples lives in my office.
, when you decide to send the ballot papers out you will see how outraged members are and then check how many members have stopped paying subs .