How we Square the circle

[SpacePhoenix]

My gut feeling is that the changes are going to be imposed whichever way the vote goes and I can't see RM taking any notice of the union when they do so

[k979aaa]

My gut feeling is that the changes are going to be imposed whichever way the vote goes and I can't see RM taking any notice of the union when they do so

Well if the agreement gets voted in there is a chance they RM may comply for a while as they know we could have a ballot for I/A and thus cause them problems with their business plan!

[X_hamster]

Best case scenario, a small time of calm.

Before they get to work on the next deal, with more savage cuts to t's & c's to align with the gigs and new starts.

[TopperGas]

My gut feeling is that the changes are going to be imposed whichever way the vote goes and I can't see RM taking any notice of the union when they do so

I doubt they can change the terms of our contract, I've heard a rumour that they have finally relented on staff recruitment and the use of agency staff, so something positive may come out of Tuesday's meeting.

If there's going to be zero movement them there's no point on ST leaving as he may as well have just stayed until RM was completely ruined.

[k979aaa]

My gut feeling is that the changes are going to be imposed whichever way the vote goes and I can't see RM taking any notice of the union when they do so

I doubt they can change the terms of our contract, I've heard a rumour that they have finally relented on staff recruitment and the use of agency staff, so something positive may come out of Tuesday's meeting.

If there's going to be zero movement them there's no point on ST leaving as he may as well have just stayed until RM was completely ruined.

ST was and is a useful idiot and that is all he will ever be!

[jahbalon]

I think we all just want this indecision and mayhem over, it's making everybody look like complete fools.

Give us the lump sum £1,500 and pay increase, and lets get on with our blooming lives again.
I'm sick of all this uncertainty and wrangling.

[jahbalon]

There is no alternative.

[k979aaa]

It is not that simple we have obligations when we sign up to this my thoughts not just to you all but myself we need a good think about this all of us and a week is not enough!

[guardianangel]

Vote yes and we've lost (we have gained nothing),vote NO and we still have a chance (and we dont lose anymore than we have already lost) its a no brainer.

A chance at what?

It can't get any worse so anything is better,even if we dont get anything we have lost nothing,if the union dont step up with this dispute why would anyone ever go on strike again it wouldnt make sense,lose a shed load of money for worse terms and conditions and a pay cut as i said its a no brainer,if people vote yes it will be the end of the union as we know it .If it goes through it doesn't really bother me i'm a couple years from retirement,i'll save my subs and just plod on through my last couple of years.Its a shame really as over my years i've seen the union get weaker and weaker and a posties job devalued i honestly believe this is the last stand but as i said if members have no fight and want to vote yes and work under those conditions that's their choice,me im not bothered either way but will still vote NO because anyone with half a brain can see its such a bad deal.

[k979aaa]

Thing in my eyes is the erosion of liberties not talking about stop oil people but the lives we all live and the consequences of this like the people who RM employed to break our strike last summer. Not calling them but it was the legislation that went through parliament long before any union called a strike think on!

[LouBarlow]

It can't get any worse so anything is better,even if we dont get anything we have lost nothing,if the union dont step up with this dispute

But it can get worse. With no agreement in place, they have carte blanche to bring in all the changes they want and then some. And you lose your pay improvement and lump sum. And the union have stepped up - it is their deal as much as RM’s.

[TopperGas]

It can't get any worse so anything is better,even if we dont get anything we have lost nothing,if the union dont step up with this dispute

But it can get worse. With no agreement in place, they have carte blanche to bring in all the changes they want and then some. And you lose your pay improvement and lump sum. And the union have stepped up - it is their deal as much as RM’s.

But that isn't going to happen as RM want an agreement as much as we do, possibly more so as they can't keep on losing £100m's with no end in sight.

[sweepster70]

I think we all just want this indecision and mayhem over, it's making everybody look like complete fools.

Give us the lump sum £1,500 and pay increase, and lets get on with our blooming lives again.
I'm sick of all this uncertainty and wrangling.

I disagree with you.
You read the full negotiators agreement and either agree with it or you don't.
You don't vote yes, just because you're fed up with it all.

[guardianangel]

It can't get any worse so anything is better,even if we dont get anything we have lost nothing,if the union dont step up with this dispute

But it can get worse. With no agreement in place, they have carte blanche to bring in all the changes they want and then some. And you lose your pay improvement and lump sum. And the union have stepped up - it is their deal as much as RM’s.

That's not a deal that's a poor pay rise and a pathetic bribe to start signing all your rights away for the sake of a few hundred quid a year id rather keep my t's and c's, if RM don't take their workers with them it will cost them a damn sight more a day,im willing to give up that pathetic few hundred quid and cause as much chaos a possible to bring them back to looking after their employees,don't believe a word they say they can't afford to look after you,they have been saying that for the last 10 years ,they have one objective to smash the employees to make maximise profit.

[Basildon Bond]

You don't vote yes, just because you're fed up with it all.

IMHO, I think some will. It kind of comes down to...

I like the deal...vote YES.

I think the deal is the best we’ll get...vote YES.

Don’t judge me, but right now my head hurts and I’m truly fed up of the fighting...vote YES.

I dislike the deal and really cannot get behind it...vote NO.

I want a better deal...while I may not get it, I’m sticking to my guns and...vote NO.

I want to show RM (and the CWU) I will not be bossed about nor will "go gentle into that good night"...vote NO.

I still have some fight in me and prepared to wait things out...vote NO.

Our personal decision – if or when there is a vote – will probably come down to our attitude at that time… optimist, pessimist, realist, idealist, pragmatist, defeatist, or even fatalist etc. We are probably all bouncing between these positions daily or weekly at the moment, and hence why some are mentally tired and reaching the point of being fed up - I can understand that.