Vote of no confidence

[hans solo]

Utter pish
You can be represented by any union you want
And they would have to accept union membership
Ask Amazon

[Omega853]

Time to have a choice of union and stop the cwu monopoly,maybe then we will get one that stands up for its members.

Be careful what you wish for. Look at all the different teaching unions and because the all have different agendas they are very ineffective. Schools basically have no union representation in schools and that’s due to having so many different unions.

My wife couldn’t strike as her union didn’t get enough of a turnout for them to strike.

Change to the Union that can ?

[hans solo]

Royal Mail: A hedge fund that delivers parcels
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... f-m26.html

[hans solo]

I rest my case

[Nickvilla20]

Change to the Union that can ?
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As I said in my original post teaching unions in general are ineffective. They have no say on pay awards or pay progression or even day to day workloads of teachers.

NEU and NASWUT are much bigger unions than the CWU and both are ineffective. It was NASWUT who couldn’t even get to legal threshold to strike hence why my wife couldn’t strike. The NEU only just got over the threshold.

The CWU have made mistakes but at least they have some sway with the company unlike quite a few other unions. It would be different ball game if they only had one union.

[Neebs]

Just a thought but,
You could always do a change.org petition,to gauge the number of RM staff that want the removal of the cwu and replaced by another union .
How about UNITE now that would be interesting .

[yubin282]

So where is Ward and his "we will win this dispute hands down", "win the ballot, win the dispute" rhetoric now?

I said at the time that this would do the CWU's cause no good and I was shouted down for it.

Ward's body language when I saw him on the video this week looks like he's had enough and I think we're on countdown to him going.

also promised a no strings inflation busting pay rise

[k979aaa]

Well you can stand against them put your name up on here and gain some traction!

[vortex180]

Neviboss
Only the engineers got 7% backdated +4%
This was negotiated by CWU
Admin got a separate negotiated deal again by CWU
Fleet have their own agreements again by CWU
The remaining and majority , are cleaners were not given a pay rise , as there was already a pay agreement from 2019 in place , stating we would be brought up to the real living wage . Certain segments of cleaning staff were given allowances for driving or working inside the M25.
I have only posted this as I do not want Postal workers to be misinformed.
To all those who have lost confidence in CWU and decided to leave the CWU . Well done playing into management hands . Using the divide and conquer method.
I am a cleaner and not a union member.

[guardianangel]

Time to have a choice of union and stop the cwu monopoly,maybe then we will get one that stands up for its members.

Be careful what you wish for. Look at all the different teaching unions and because the all have different agendas they are very ineffective. Schools basically have no union representation in schools and that’s due to having so many different unions.

My wife couldn’t strike as her union didn’t get enough of a turnout for them to strike.

That's the memberships decision no fault of the union.

[Tman]

Utter pish
You can be represented by any union you want
And they would have to accept union membership
Ask Amazon

You can join any union that'll have you, but if you think that automatically means RM will negotiate with them on your behalf (either in day-to-day matters or pay bargaining) you're sadly deluded.

[k979aaa]

Utter pish
You can be represented by any union you want
And they would have to accept union membership
Ask Amazon

You can join any union that'll have you, but if you think that automatically means RM will negotiate with them on your behalf (either in day-to-day matters or pay bargaining) you're sadly deluded.

Probably one thing we can agree on we need new blood in the union and accept this battle is done and any prospect of a higher deal is pie in the sky and their will be no more money on the table. It is your choice yes or no when the ballot resumes!

[Martin Walsh]

Some strange logic about.

You are angry at the decision to delay the vote because you want to vote No ?

The reason we have delayed the ballot is we want to be sure that the splits in Royal Mail management are at one in being committed to the agreement including 2.5 in resolving revisions, USO and quality issues in offices.

Whereas you don’t seem interested in getting that commitment. Even if a no vote was the decision, any agreement has to ensure the company are committed to the agreement they sign into.

Even if your voting no then you must answer what do you think your going to change in Royal Mail’s business plan which got them signed off as a going concern.

1. Do you really think voting no means Royal Mail are going to continue flying planes to maintain start and finish times ?

2. Do you really think that with the losses in Parcelforce and the opening of the midland hub next month that you are going to no lose further workload from both mail centres and Delivery units.

3. Do you think with a company that just announced £419 million loss with a further loss expected next year that there is anymore money other than a lump sum (if achieved) which does not impact on Royal Mail’s current balance sheet.

4. Do you think believe that the real growth areas are now Sundays and Dedicated parcel routes which the union have insured is voluntary, that Royal Mail are not going to therefore introduce new entrants on inferior terms so they can pick this growth up ?

5. With seasonal variations the choice was SISO linked to payroll and no finishing times or the agreement we reached which stopped all of that.

6. Finally the decision on sick leave was difficult but Royal Mail had written to the union in September stating from the beginning of the financial year they going to introduce the new trigger points. They were going to give the legal 90 notice period of change in contracts for the SSP change.

The ill health retirement is something Royal Mail have wanted to change for sometime and their original proposal was to reduce the up to 34 weeks by the weeks you were off sick.

Royal Mail believe the cost of sick pay is circa 250 million but their analysis shows that circa 75% of the workforce only ever have up to one absence off per year.


So anyone who is voting no and that is your right to do so should answer what of the above do you think will change ? Whilst we have change the impact say from up to 3 hours later to up to 60 minutes we have not in the negotiations or as a result of the strikes made them drop what they promised to the markets and shareholders.

As for those who say we will vote no and then leave the union that is just asking for Royal Mail to come back with far harsher proposals.

Votes of no confidence should be reserved until 1. If there is a yes vote or 2. If there is a no vote and what that results in as maybe if it is you may why the negotiators and the PE who have seen lots of in confidence material believed it was the best that could be achieved and it was not our right to play Russian roulette with our members jobs.

[ted_e_bear]

Royal Mail believe the cost of sick pay is circa 250 million but their analysis shows that circa 75% of the workforce only ever have up to one absence off per year.

So why are they intending to discriminate against this 75% ?

[Nickvilla20]

Time to have a choice of union and stop the cwu monopoly,maybe then we will get one that stands up for its members.

Be careful what you wish for. Look at all the different teaching unions and because the all have different agendas they are very ineffective. Schools basically have no union representation in schools and that’s due to having so many different unions.

My wife couldn’t strike as her union didn’t get enough of a turnout for them to strike.

That's the memberships decision no fault of the union.

It’s a much the unions fault as it doesn’t engage with it members but it’s more than happy to take the millions of pounds in subs every year. Teaching unions are just left wing political organisations who have no real interest in its members working lives I know this as when my wife needed Union advice and representation she got absolutely no help.

The CWU has faults and the deal isn’t the best but at least they are there representing us and can actually influence our working lives even though we work for a private company. Majority of schools are publicly funded and the unions could cause absolute chaos for the government and yet they don’t.