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[milly]

Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they are contributing more to the system?

Because they are hateful scumbags and targeting minorities appeals to their base voters. Are you saying you have evidence that the world famous Oxford University doesn’t? Do please tell us.

I'm sorry to break to you but Oxford University is a money making enterprise and if you think that they can't be bought off for donations from the wealthy or large corporations then you are very naive.

[LouBarlow]

It’s not blistering, just hard, cold, provable, fact.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r ... in-the-uk/

I mean, you could argue that Oxford University haven’t done their homework I suppose.

I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.

Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they are contributing more to the system?

I wasn't aware they were bringing down numbers judging by the Hotels that are choc full of them.
The people who love unlimited immigration are the large Corporations and the Government are only too willing to supply cheap workers in return for some nice well paid non executive roles I'm sure.
So long as the Government and their mates in the Media tell people like the Virtuous Lou that anyone who questions unlimited immigration is a racist to shut down debate, it makes useful idiots like Lou feel morally superior.
Now poor old Lou wonders why he can't get a decent payrise .
It really is sad how people can't see through the divide and rule tactics be it transgenderism, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Ukraine War, Covid or Immigration you can bet your bottom dollar some Billionaire is getting richer out of it.
I wish people like Lou who support whatever narrative is being pushed would take the time to ask "who benefits?" from the latest media propaganda.

You can keep calling people idiots but nothing is more idiotic than an immigrant like you complaining about immigrants ruining the country. You are embarrassing.

[milly]

It’s not blistering, just hard, cold, provable, fact.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r ... in-the-uk/

I mean, you could argue that Oxford University haven’t done their homework I suppose.

I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.

Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they are contributing more to the system?

I wasn't aware they were bringing down numbers judging by the Hotels that are choc full of them.
The people who love unlimited immigration are the large Corporations and the Government are only too willing to supply cheap workers in return for some nice well paid non executive roles I'm sure.
So long as the Government and their mates in the Media tell people like the Virtuous Lou that anyone who questions unlimited immigration is a racist to shut down debate, it makes useful idiots like Lou feel morally superior.
Now poor old Lou wonders why he can't get a decent payrise .
It really is sad how people can't see through the divide and rule tactics be it transgenderism, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Ukraine War, Covid or Immigration you can bet your bottom dollar some Billionaire is getting richer out of it.
I wish people like Lou who support whatever narrative is being pushed would take the time to ask "who benefits?" from the latest media propaganda.

You can keep calling people idiots but nothing is more idiotic than an immigrant like you complaining about immigrants ruining the country. You are embarrassing.

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

[Kenfandango]

I read this thread and it really hammered home why I should never have bothered joining RMC.

[stan_lers]

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

I agree with everything you say, however it's the same billionaires that want immigration that are conning everyone else into believing that immigrants are ruining the country.

They want immigration but they also want a scapegoat - to keep working people fighting amongst themselves (including those from abroad) instead of going after them.

The Tories said Brexit would let us take back control of our borders, and then let in more immigrants than ever. They say and do complete opposites and people fall for it.

The fact is however that we need immigration because we have an aging population. We can't function without it, and there's enough money to house and fees them - especially since the average immigrant pays in more than they take when compared to a British person - just like there's enough money to pay for hospitals, schools and wages for the rest of us. It's called taxing the rich, who have stolen trillions from the working population over the last 50 years.

[TopperGas]

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

I agree with everything you say, however it's the same billionaires that want immigration that are conning everyone else into believing that immigrants are ruining the country.

They want immigration but they also want a scapegoat - to keep working people fighting amongst themselves (including those from abroad) instead of going after them.

The Tories said Brexit would let us take back control of our borders, and then let in more immigrants than ever. They say and do complete opposites and people fall for it.

The fact is however that we need immigration because we have an aging population. We can't function without it, and there's enough money to house and fees them - especially since the average immigrant pays in more than they take when compared to a British person - just like there's enough money to pay for hospitals, schools and wages for the rest of us. It's called taxing the rich, who have stolen trillions from the working population over the last 50 years.

Do you have a link to an article supporting that view?

[SpacePhoenix]

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

I agree with everything you say, however it's the same billionaires that want immigration that are conning everyone else into believing that immigrants are ruining the country.

They want immigration but they also want a scapegoat - to keep working people fighting amongst themselves (including those from abroad) instead of going after them.

The Tories said Brexit would let us take back control of our borders, and then let in more immigrants than ever. They say and do complete opposites and people fall for it.

The fact is however that we need immigration because we have an aging population. We can't function without it, and there's enough money to house and fees them - especially since the average immigrant pays in more than they take when compared to a British person - just like there's enough money to pay for hospitals, schools and wages for the rest of us. It's called taxing the rich, who have stolen trillions from the working population over the last 50 years.

In practice the rich would just take their money out of the country causing a drop in tax revenues

[LouBarlow]

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

I agree with everything you say, however it's the same billionaires that want immigration that are conning everyone else into believing that immigrants are ruining the country.

They want immigration but they also want a scapegoat - to keep working people fighting amongst themselves (including those from abroad) instead of going after them.

The Tories said Brexit would let us take back control of our borders, and then let in more immigrants than ever. They say and do complete opposites and people fall for it.

The fact is however that we need immigration because we have an aging population. We can't function without it, and there's enough money to house and fees them - especially since the average immigrant pays in more than they take when compared to a British person - just like there's enough money to pay for hospitals, schools and wages for the rest of us. It's called taxing the rich, who have stolen trillions from the working population over the last 50 years.

Do you have a link to an article supporting that view?

I posted a link before to the Oxford University study that outlines this, but apparently the world famous Oxford University is a corrupt organisation, according to the immigrant-hating immigrant milly.


Here is another link which is more concise.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... n-doing-so

Even if she were to manage to reduce migration significantly, however, Mrs May’s successors might come to regret it. According to the government’s latest review on immigration, by the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), immigrants contribute more to the public purse on average than native-born Britons do. Moreover, European newcomers are the most lucrative group among them. The MAC reckons that each additional migrant from the European Economic Area (EEA) will make a total contribution to the public purse of approximately £78,000 over his or her lifetime (in 2017 prices). Last year, the average adult migrant from the EEA yielded £2,370 ($3,000) more for the Treasury than the average British-born adult did. Even so, the MAC recommended refining the current immigration system to remove the cap on high-skilled migrants and also said that no special treatment should be given to EU citizens.

With Britain’s population ageing, the country could do with an influx of younger members to its labour force.

And already this is proven true considering we have no workers to pick fruit or do the jobs that migrants would have done before people like milly made them feel unwelcome here.

[milly]

Why do you misrepresent what I say ?
Never said that immigrants are ruining the Country nor do I have anything against anybody coming here legally.
If pointing out that we don't have the money or resources to cope with them makes me an idiot then so be it .

I agree with everything you say, however it's the same billionaires that want immigration that are conning everyone else into believing that immigrants are ruining the country.

They want immigration but they also want a scapegoat - to keep working people fighting amongst themselves (including those from abroad) instead of going after them.

The Tories said Brexit would let us take back control of our borders, and then let in more immigrants than ever. They say and do complete opposites and people fall for it.

The fact is however that we need immigration because we have an aging population. We can't function without it, and there's enough money to house and fees them - especially since the average immigrant pays in more than they take when compared to a British person - just like there's enough money to pay for hospitals, schools and wages for the rest of us. It's called taxing the rich, who have stolen trillions from the working population over the last 50 years.

Do you have a link to an article supporting that view?

I posted a link before to the Oxford University study that outlines this, but apparently the world famous Oxford University is a corrupt organisation, according to the immigrant-hating immigrant milly.


Here is another link which is more concise.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... n-doing-so

Even if she were to manage to reduce migration significantly, however, Mrs May’s successors might come to regret it. According to the government’s latest review on immigration, by the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), immigrants contribute more to the public purse on average than native-born Britons do. Moreover, European newcomers are the most lucrative group among them. The MAC reckons that each additional migrant from the European Economic Area (EEA) will make a total contribution to the public purse of approximately £78,000 over his or her lifetime (in 2017 prices). Last year, the average adult migrant from the EEA yielded £2,370 ($3,000) more for the Treasury than the average British-born adult did. Even so, the MAC recommended refining the current immigration system to remove the cap on high-skilled migrants and also said that no special treatment should be given to EU citizens.

With Britain’s population ageing, the country could do with an influx of younger members to its labour force.

And already this is proven true considering we have no workers to pick fruit or do the jobs that migrants would have done before people like milly made them feel unwelcome here.

You can't help yourself can you!
Please provide evidence that I hate immigrants.
Its hilarious that you take seriously the work of a Government Quango such as the Migration Advisory Committee.
It doesn't inspire confidence in the report from the MAC when it uses words like "reckons" or "approximately" .
With regards to fruit picking, if you have a business that pays terrible seasonal wages and you can't get British people to do that job for that reason,oddly you seem to believe that these jobs are good enough for foreigners.
If you want to eat British fruit then you must pay more for it because without slave wages these UK fruit growers don't have a viable business.

[LouBarlow]

Here is another study, this time by the University College London. No idea how corrupt they are, but I’m sure someone can update us.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-d ... gration-uk

This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.

Oh.

[milly]

Here is another study, this time by the University College London. No idea how corrupt they are, but I’m sure someone can update us.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-d ... gration-uk

This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.

Oh.

The UCL also receives huge donations off Billionaire donors, another corrupt institution.
Please read the again the statement you have posted as it is obvious that in general a young person arriving in the UK won't have any dependents so would be a net contributor until they had a family then that changes unless they are in a highly paid job.
I can assure you two Fruit Pickers from Eastern Europe with a couple of kids won't pay in more than they take out.

[LouBarlow]

Here is another study, this time by the University College London. No idea how corrupt they are, but I’m sure someone can update us.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-d ... gration-uk

This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.

Oh.

The UCL also receives huge donations off Billionaire donors, another corrupt institution.
Please read the again the statement you have posted as it is obvious that in general a young person arriving in the UK won't have any dependents so would be a net contributor until they had a family then that changes unless they are in a highly paid job.
I can assure you two Fruit Pickers from Eastern Europe with a couple of kids won't pay in more than they take out.

On the one hand, you have two world famous universities and the government’s own study telling us one thing, on the other you have milly’s ‘assurance’.

Who to believe!?

[milly]

Here is another study, this time by the University College London. No idea how corrupt they are, but I’m sure someone can update us.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-d ... gration-uk

This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.

Oh.

The UCL also receives huge donations off Billionaire donors, another corrupt institution.
Please read the again the statement you have posted as it is obvious that in general a young person arriving in the UK won't have any dependents so would be a net contributor until they had a family then that changes unless they are in a highly paid job.
I can assure you two Fruit Pickers from Eastern Europe with a couple of kids won't pay in more than they take out.

On the one hand, you have two world famous universities and the government’s own study telling us one thing, on the other you have milly’s ‘assurance’.

Who to believe!?

Of course you believe everything you are told because you trust the Establishment and the Government without question.
Once again you have proven yourself to be an adherent to the logical fallacy of "an argument from authority" argumentum ad verecundiam.

[clashcityrocker]

argumentum ad verecundiam.

I hate it when foreigners come over here and they can't even speak English.

[milly]

argumentum ad verecundiam.

I hate it when foreigners come over here and they can't even speak English.

You ought to broaden your horizons Little Englander