What does the future hold for the humble postie.

[milly]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

[RTP]

Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.

I am interested to hear exactly why we need to? And other couriers go out in the morning, we are being pushed further back.
Also we deliver mail is that about to change anytime soon?
I hate the modern business model which thinks we have to change just because thats old practice, sometimes if it aint broke dont fix it.

I regularly see Amazon Drivers working until 7pm including a Saturday.
Where I live you often see a convoy of Amazon drivers setting off from their depot at around 10.30am.
As far as I'm aware many highly competitive businesses such as Supermarkets operate similar hours to each other.

Not being funny, but you not working in delivery makes you absolutely clueless what the workload and stress is like now with the EA revisions and now you seem to think we should be delivering until 7pm . Forgive me if I am reading it wrong, but that is what it is looking like.

[Nickvilla20]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

From what I’ve heard from the Evri and DPD guys on my round it’s just as bad there as it is at Royal Mail.

Unachievable workloads, managers bullying you. EVRI are so short staffed you have people going out with over 200 parcels.

[milly]

Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.

I am interested to hear exactly why we need to? And other couriers go out in the morning, we are being pushed further back.
Also we deliver mail is that about to change anytime soon?
I hate the modern business model which thinks we have to change just because thats old practice, sometimes if it aint broke dont fix it.

I regularly see Amazon Drivers working until 7pm including a Saturday.
Where I live you often see a convoy of Amazon drivers setting off from their depot at around 10.30am.
As far as I'm aware many highly competitive businesses such as Supermarkets operate similar hours to each other.

Not being funny, but you not working in delivery makes you absolutely clueless what the stress is like now with the EA revisions and now you seem to think we should be delivering until 7pm . Forgive me if I am reading it wrong, but that is what it is looking like.

It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the what the Management think.
And going by the fact that RM management aren't known for having any original ideas of their own it's more than likely they will just copy the opposition.
So it's entirely possible that at sometime in the future your hours will align with our rivals.

[enskied]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

From what I’ve heard from the Evri and DPD guys on my round it’s just as bad there as it is at Royal Mail.

Unachievable workloads, managers bullying you. EVRI are so short staffed you have people going out with over 200 parcels.

My mate works for DPD, another for UPS, the one working for UPS is very happy in his work especially on Saturday OT finishing at noon. DPD not so happy.
However last week we, my partner and I had over 160 prioritised tracked packet n parcels, ordinary packets and parcels and two frames of mail to get though as well as effin door to door leaflets.
Trust me they are not as stressed as us .

[ddtc]

Never understood the constant comparison to Amazon. They stock pretty much all items at their own place like a glorified Argos. To my understanding they have moved to 48hr delivery for some prime deliveries so even they can't handle next day and even fob us work.

If I was Royal Mail management or whoever thinks of all the bright ideas. Has it ever occurred to them the problem isn't deliveries and it is more to do with having to collect millions of items from anywhere in the uk and proccessing it into our network? Heres an idea if it can be done, start creating massive storage hubs for businesses to stock their items with a cost to store and then RM can process the orders for them. Saves those companies money storing goods in their own warehouses, we get paid for it and we become a greener (bs) company as we don't have to collect from everywhere. Surely this then means we get items quicker to deliveries and times don't have to change much. In turn we turn into Amazon but more able to cope as we have the know how and experience of delivering to every address in the uk.

[SpacePhoenix]

Never understood the constant comparison to Amazon. They stock pretty much all items at their own place like a glorified Argos. To my understanding they have moved to 48hr delivery for some prime deliveries so even they can't handle next day and even fob us work.

I think some things they keep a stock of at multiple fulfilment centres. They also deal with the warehousing and dispatch for some of their marketplace sellers

If I was Royal Mail management or whoever thinks of all the bright ideas. Has it ever occurred to them the problem isn't deliveries and it is more to do with having to collect millions of items from anywhere in the uk and proccessing it into our network? Heres an idea if it can be done, start creating massive storage hubs for businesses to stock their items with a cost to store and then RM can process the orders for them. Saves those companies money storing goods in their own warehouses, we get paid for it and we become a greener (bs) company as we don't have to collect from everywhere. Surely this then means we get items quicker to deliveries and times don't have to change much. In turn we turn into Amazon but more able to cope as we have the know how and experience of delivering to every address in the uk.

Can't see how that's more green as the stuff still has to be transported to a RM warehouse

[neviboss]

As previously stated, we are not Amazon, who are a online retailer that delivers their own product. We deliver the length and breadth of the UK, including the Highlands and islands. We know most our customers personally, but which is something a courier company can never achieve.

Yet RM management keep wanting to compare us Evri, Amazon, DPD etc?

[denhamhoop]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

From what I’ve heard from the Evri and DPD guys on my round it’s just as bad there as it is at Royal Mail.

Unachievable workloads, managers bullying you. EVRI are so short staffed you have people going out with over 200 parcels.

At least they get paid more the more they deliver so at 90p a packet it would earn them £180 that day not a bad amount of pay

[77SAMPOST77]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

From what I’ve heard from the Evri and DPD guys on my round it’s just as bad there as it is at Royal Mail.

Unachievable workloads, managers bullying you. EVRI are so short staffed you have people going out with over 200 parcels.

At least they get paid more the more they deliver so at 90p a packet it would earn them £180 that day not a bad amount of pay

Evri get paid 60p per parcel not 90p

It is a poor amount of pay considering they have to pay for there own fuel ,

They also have the upkeep of there vehicle

They pay tax on that amount , no holiday pay , no sick pay , no pension , it is just slave labour .

[Zicomurphy]

Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.

Okay then is there less bullying and harassment at other Couriers?

From what I’ve heard from the Evri and DPD guys on my round it’s just as bad there as it is at Royal Mail.

Unachievable workloads, managers bullying you. EVRI are so short staffed you have people going out with over 200 parcels.

At least they get paid more the more they deliver so at 90p a packet it would earn them £180 that day not a bad amount of pay

Evri get paid 60p per parcel not 90p

It is a poor amount of pay considering they have to pay for there own fuel ,

They also have the upkeep of there vehicle

They pay tax on that amount , no holiday pay , no sick pay , no pension , it is just slave labour .

If that 60p figure is accurate then it probably works out below minimum wage.

The DPR duty holders at our place have been told they should be doing about 18 parcels an hour. So 200 parcels would equate to roughly an 11 hour day for £120 or £10.90 per hour, about 50p above minimum wage. Take into account fuel and other expenses and in effect probably below minimum wage.

[Marshamp11]

The biggest problem the postie faces is coming to terms with not giving a sh1t about their customers anymore. We are our own worst enemies, managers don’t care about our customers, why should we
As I’ve said previously in other posts, life as a postie is great once you stop caring. Do you hours, do as little as possible, don’t leave a minute before your finish time, follow all procedures as instructed and you will suddenly realise this is a brilliant job.
Make no mistake this company is going down the pan one way or another, breaking your body isn’t going to help you in the long term.

Exactly my attitude.

[postslippete]

Would accept a 5 day uso/week with weekends off. That way they wouldn't have to cover people's day off, could probably get enough people to deliver parcels 24/7 if they don't go owner driver. Even a 40 hr week would only equal an 8 hour day, with added incentive of weekends away from the place. RM wrongly believe that If we offer the same as rivals, then we'll coin it in - doubtful. If we keep making (as pre COVID) £300 million a year, then IF that's not enough I suggest they pack it in.

It won't be enough. That is how 'mad' super charged capitalism is. If profits are the same as the last year then the share price goes down. That's because in order to realise a profit on your shares you must first sell them. But the buyer of your shares will only buy them if he thinks the share price is set to increase. Why would it increase if the profit stays the same? It won't. At best, the share price will stay the same [all other factors being equal, which of course they almost never are].

There are many other factors that affect the share price other than just profits. For example, the loss of a major customer, a change in CEO, current economic conditions, inflation, interest rates, a world event and even major investors like hedge funds can alter the share price. So share prices can go still go up even if profit stays the same.

Anyone remember GameStop? The stock market is a highly unpredictable beast

[Mr Rush]

At least they get paid more the more they deliver

Have you ever seen what 'the more they deliver' looks like in practice? I used to see the Hermes guy on my old walk all the time: knock on the recipients door... no-one in. Tries a neighbour, tries another neighbour, looks round the back for a shed or something reasonably sheltered. Eventually after five minutes have gone by it just gets left on the doorstep, unsurpringly, because otherwise it would be time, fuel, and money lost - all of which are his problem and not the company's, which makes bank on its sky-high first time delivery rates. Everytime I saw that I was thankful we could still write out a P739 card.

[enskied]

At least they get paid more the more they deliver

Have you ever seen what 'the more they deliver' looks like in practice? I used to see the Hermes guy on my old walk all the time: knock on the recipients door... no-one in. Tries a neighbour, tries another neighbour, looks round the back for a shed or something reasonably sheltered. Eventually after five minutes have gone by it just gets left on the doorstep, unsurpringly, because otherwise it would be time, fuel, and money lost - all of which are his problem and not the company's, which makes bank on its sky-high first time delivery rates. Everytime I saw that I was thankful we could still write out a P739 card.

The future. f**k your mail