Glasgow reject deal

[rambo1]

If a no vote comes back the only option the cwu have is an all out strike anything else will be laughed at by royal mail the question is how many members will support this the office i work at will not they were on the brink just before xmas of returning to work members arguing with each other, time will tell.

If that happens the CWU can say that they will strike when the timing is right. [ie autumn]
If you are a customer of R.M how do you think that would make you feel about continuing to be a customer?
Businesses that use RM for packet and parcel delivery will want certainty that their packets are going to get to their customers on time. They will be mindful of pictures of hundreds of yorks packed with parcels left in car parks subject to the vagaries of the weather and the hunger pangs of rats. Not to mention all the complaints they received from their own customers during these strike periods.
Putting it mildly - it would be very disconcerting and liable to see a percentage of those customers take preemptive action to assure future efficient deliveries by taking their business to a competitor of RM
RM will know this too
Sure it will drive the share price down for Kretinsky to buy cheap - as some would insist has been the plan all along. But he'd be buying lower priced shares of a less valuable company! Not to mention his current shares would be losing value.

Pkts aren't getting to people on time now. We're sending customers text messages when we scan to core route, then bringing back what we can't manage in our time, to scan back in as delivery not attempted. Some people will be waiting in for a pkt that you know you'll never get around to doing. Service? What service. It's appalling.

[Acca Dacca]

The ballot papers haven't even been sent out yeti. Therefore Glasgow haven't rejected it surely?

Pedantry

The Glasgow branch are recommending their members vote NO when their papers come

That’s what is meant by 'Glasgow'

But people still have their own vote. Just coz Glasgow branch recommended no vote, means nothing, just as CWU nationally recommended yes vote. Again, means nothing. Only thing that counts is individuals opinions and therefore, votes.

Yes but its still pedantic

The thread is about Glasgow branch recommending its members reject the deal - you are right that doesnt mean most Glasgow posties will vote NO but again thats being pedantic, everyone knows there hasnt been a vote yet. You know what was meant by Glasgow reject deal.

[stevejm]

If that happens the CWU can say that they will strike when the timing is right. [ie autumn]
If you are a customer of R.M how do you think that would make you feel about continuing to be a customer?
Businesses that use RM for packet and parcel delivery will want certainty that their packets are going to get to their customers on time. They will be mindful of pictures of hundreds of yorks packed with parcels left in car parks subject to the vagaries of the weather and the hunger pangs of rats. Not to mention all the complaints they received from their own customers during these strike periods.
Putting it mildly - it would be very disconcerting and liable to see a percentage of those customers take preemptive action to assure future efficient deliveries by taking their business to a competitor of RM
RM will know this too
Sure it will drive the share price down for Kretinsky to buy cheap - as some would insist has been the plan all along. But he'd be buying lower priced shares of a less valuable company! Not to mention his current shares would be losing value.

Pkts aren't getting to people on time now. We're sending customers text messages when we scan to core route, then bringing back what we can't manage in our time, to scan back in as delivery not attempted. Some people will be waiting in for a pkt that you know you'll never get around to doing. Service? What service. It's appalling.

Well, in that case, you can imagine RM's corporate customers [but also smaller ones too] are not happy now so if further strikes were probable in the medium term future then as a business owner I'd be at least preparing a back-up plan of moving by business to an RM competitor.
I used to be an owner in a chilled food business. I always had backup suppliers in mind just in case.

[portadown]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

[portadown]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no I've never seen as many posties as down beating in my life and mangers they are under the same pressure

[X_hamster]

First we've saw it , in letter format like that

Well Done Glasgow.

Can go round the houses saying everyone has an individual vote - course they do.

But the message in offices, mc's, here and all social media channels now is a clear no!!! The dogs on the continuously revised rounds even know it!

Perhaps the very quiet majority will force it through

[aiden01]

Well done, Glasgow.

What if the members of the glasgow branch come back with a yes vote will mean nothing.like ive already said members make their own minds up.if you have to rely on your branch telling you how to vote god help us all.im sure the branches rejecting the agreement now probably recommended most of the pec.

It still takes balls for the branch to go against the leadership's recommendations no matter how you think the vote will go

I would be easier for some of them to just ''play the game'' and go along with it

Don,t understand how it takes balls its either a yes or a no.seems like a helluva lot of cwu members are voting no does that take balls also seeing leadership are recommending it.

[aiden01]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

Not sure where your hearing that work in mc an majority voting yes.unless you know all the posties in each del office.

[77SAMPOST77]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

Not sure where your hearing that work in mc an majority voting yes.unless you know all the posties in each del office.

Every single person I know in royal mail is voting no .

It is a terrible deal and there is no point in voting yes because it will be a green light to let royal mail walk all over you for evermore .

[X_hamster]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

Not sure where your hearing that work in mc an majority voting yes.unless you know all the posties in each del office.

Good luck with your vote

They will be back for more within the year

Close more MC's, get rid of staff

And swamp the super hubs with the two tier employees.

All before the current employees contracts echo theres and it becomes a 1 tier shite gig contract.

Sounds super

[daveyeff]

The thing is about this though is....what are HQ not seeing about this deal that Glasgow and Wales ARE seeing? Theyve recommended a no, but HQ have not?

[X_hamster]

The thing is about this though is....what are HQ not seeing about this deal that Glasgow and Wales ARE seeing? Theyve recommended a no, but HQ have not?

Self preservation for the union in the workplace.

Was the first words out their mouth at turf moor before the s**t show was unraveled.

Seems the local amals are actually looking after their employees best interests and trying to stave off the race to tje bottom on t's & c's

[Acca Dacca]

Well done, Glasgow.

What if the members of the glasgow branch come back with a yes vote will mean nothing.like ive already said members make their own minds up.if you have to rely on your branch telling you how to vote god help us all.im sure the branches rejecting the agreement now probably recommended most of the pec.

It still takes balls for the branch to go against the leadership's recommendations no matter how you think the vote will go

I would be easier for some of them to just ''play the game'' and go along with it

Don,t understand how it takes balls its either a yes or a no.seems like a helluva lot of cwu members are voting no does that take balls also seeing leadership are recommending it.

I think it does take balls yes

It’s easier to accept defeat and just take what’s on offer and move on with a crap deal than it is to vote no and take a gamble that we deserve and can do better than that

We don’t know what the future looks like without this agreement but we certainly know how the future looks like with it…..

[SpacePhoenix]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

Not sure where your hearing that work in mc an majority voting yes.unless you know all the posties in each del office.

Unless it's a close vote it doesn't matter what we in RDCs/Logistics/Distribution/MCs think as we're outnumbered by delivery staff by at least 3:1

I think RM will ram through a load more EA at some point whether it's a yes or no vote and I can't see them taking any notice of the union either way.

It seems like one of RM's long term goals is to have delivery staff basically spending just about their entire shift out on delivery

[Acca Dacca]

All I can say is good luck cwu when u come to Belfast as all I can hear is a big no

Not sure where your hearing that work in mc an majority voting yes.unless you know all the posties in each del office.

Unless it's a close vote it doesn't matter what we in RDCs/Logistics/Distribution/MCs think as we're outnumbered by delivery staff by at least 3:1

I think RM will ram through a load more EA at some point whether it's a yes or no vote and I can't see them taking any notice of the union either way.

It seems like one of RM's long term goals is to have delivery staff basically spending just about their entire shift out on delivery

If they could ram everything they want through without difficulty they’d have done so by now

It’s not as easy as some seem to think it is