In what way? My post was terribly composed and misleading, which I have now clarified. It isn’t some kind of big gotcha moment. If I went through every post correcting grammatical errors I would have less time to educate people in other matters on here.
I started part-time, was made up to 40, now work 37. Same as you. Have my own round. Enjoy it. I haven’t ask you to qualify your experience in the job and I won’t but this obsession you seem to have that all posties must have the same opinion as you makes as much sense as the post you had issue with. None. There are people who have different ideas to you. Get over it or leave the internet frankly, as you will encounter a great many people who don’t think the same as you.
In what way? My post was terribly composed and misleading, which I have now clarified. It isn’t some kind of big gotcha moment. If I went through every post correcting grammatical errors I would have less time to educate people in other matters on here.
I started part-time, was made up to 40, now work 37. Same as you. Have my own round. Enjoy it. I haven’t ask you to qualify your experience in the job and I won’t but this obsession you seem to have that all posties must have the same opinion as you makes as much sense as the post you had issue with. None. There are people who have different ideas to you. Get over it or leave the internet frankly, as you will encounter a great many people who don’t think the same as you.
Same as me?
How do you know?
I'll take on board that it was just a terribly composed and misleading post - but do you have any comment on my point about part timers and the annualised hours/seasonal variation?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
In practice so far having holidays set in hrs hasn't made any difference has it? I get 6 weeks off still?
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
In practice so far having holidays set in hrs hasn't made any difference has it? I get 6 weeks off still?
A week THIS winter will now cost 2 hours more of THIS years annual leave is his point
A week THIS summer will cost the same and wont cost 2 hours LESS until NEXT summer
As it stands just now without seasonal variations - a week off takes however many hours you are contracted to off your annual leave
If SV comes in, then if you take a week in November 2023 it will take off 2 hours more than your contracted hours from your annual leave and it wont be until next years annual leave allocation the summer weeks will cost 2 hours less
In practice, if it was going to be brought in it should have been implemented no earlier than April 2024 so that it starts next summer - not halfway through a RM tax year April-April
We are being shafted if they are allowed to start seasonal variations this autumn/winter
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
In practice so far having holidays set in hrs hasn't made any difference has it? I get 6 weeks off still?
A week THIS winter will now cost 2 hours more of THIS years annual leave is his point
A week THIS summer will cost the same and wont cost 2 hours LESS until NEXT summer
As it stands just now without seasonal variations - a week off takes however many hours you are contracted to off your annual leave
If SV comes in, then if you take a week in November 2023 it will take off 2 hours more than your contracted hours from your annual leave and it wont be until next years annual leave allocation the summer weeks will cost 2 hours less
In practice, if it was going to be brought in it should have been implemented no earlier than April 2024 so that it starts next summer - not halfway through a RM tax year April-April
We are being shafted if they are allowed to start seasonal variations this autumn/winter
I'm certainly against annualised hrs or seasonal variations as they now call it but will it really effect leave? If I get 3 weeks now in summer am.i really going to get less summer and a bit more in winter? Maybe I'm being a bit thick
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
In practice so far having holidays set in hrs hasn't made any difference has it? I get 6 weeks off still?
A week THIS winter will now cost 2 hours more of THIS years annual leave is his point
A week THIS summer will cost the same and wont cost 2 hours LESS until NEXT summer
As it stands just now without seasonal variations - a week off takes however many hours you are contracted to off your annual leave
If SV comes in, then if you take a week in November 2023 it will take off 2 hours more than your contracted hours from your annual leave and it wont be until next years annual leave allocation the summer weeks will cost 2 hours less
In practice, if it was going to be brought in it should have been implemented no earlier than April 2024 so that it starts next summer - not halfway through a RM tax year April-April
We are being shafted if they are allowed to start seasonal variations this autumn/winter
I'm certainly against annualised hrs or seasonal variations as they now call it but will it really effect leave? If I get 3 weeks now in summer am.i really going to get less summer and a bit more in winter? Maybe I'm being a bit thick
Remember annual leave is taken in hours
Any autumn/winter weeks this year will cost 2 hours more to take out of this years annual leave entitlement
Summer weeks taken from this years entitlement wont cost 2 hours less until next summer which is part of next years entitlement
Leave runs from April to April so a summer week will cost for instance 37 hours this year and a winter week will cost you 39 hours
It wont be until next summer that a summer week costs 35 hours from your entitlement
Which is why this should have been implemented for next summer if it was coming in - not halfway through a ''year''
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement
That is what executive action is. None of the changes of late were ‘agreed’. As long as they operate within employment law they can do a lot more than is in the proposal.
Yes but some things cant be enforced without being agreed - like what I raised
They cannot force us to work two hours a week unpaid this winter to get the time back next summer without an agreement
Executive action cannot enforce that without very very messy dismissals via fire and rehire
Acca - I had taken a few days off from reading all about the s**t storm that the proposed 'deal' has created and
your post has highlighted yet another part of the s**t sandwich we are supposed to take a bite from.
Doesn't this also leave taken this year will actually cost us more hours overall -summer leave will 'cost' us more hours
this summer (compared to next year) and so will winter leave this leave year (as it's being brought in this
Autumn allegedly)as per the para quote below? - or have I misunderstood something?:
1.2.8 Consistent with current agreements Annual leave will be booked in hours versus the
“planned” hours of the season. A typical full timer would have 35 hours deducted for
a full-time week of leave in Summer and 39 in Peak. Exact deductions would be
applied on a daily level based on the work schedules in PSP. Sick leave continues to
be recorded in instances / days.
In practice so far having holidays set in hrs hasn't made any difference has it? I get 6 weeks off still?
A week THIS winter will now cost 2 hours more of THIS years annual leave is his point
A week THIS summer will cost the same and wont cost 2 hours LESS until NEXT summer
As it stands just now without seasonal variations - a week off takes however many hours you are contracted to off your annual leave
If SV comes in, then if you take a week in November 2023 it will take off 2 hours more than your contracted hours from your annual leave and it wont be until next years annual leave allocation the summer weeks will cost 2 hours less
In practice, if it was going to be brought in it should have been implemented no earlier than April 2024 so that it starts next summer - not halfway through a RM tax year April-April
We are being shafted if they are allowed to start seasonal variations this autumn/winter
I'm certainly against annualised hrs or seasonal variations as they now call it but will it really effect leave? If I get 3 weeks now in summer am.i really going to get less summer and a bit more in winter? Maybe I'm being a bit thick
Remember annual leave is taken in hours
Any autumn/winter weeks this year will cost 2 hours more to take out of this years annual leave entitlement
Summer weeks taken from this years entitlement wont cost 2 hours less until next summer which is part of next years entitlement
Leave runs from April to April so a summer week will cost for instance 37 hours this year and a winter week will cost you 39 hours
It wont be until next summer that a summer week costs 35 hours from your entitlement
Which is why this should have been implemented for next summer if it was coming in - not halfway through a ''year''
Ok, but in practice if I get 6 weeks a year/222hrs I still get that with seasonal variation, so it doesn't really affect anything in that regard the same as it wont affect our basic pay? Dont get me wrong I'm against seasonal variations as I dont want to be working longer in winter and I know I wont be able to complete in summer on shorter hrs
You are still not getting it - our entitlement is in hours not weeks
So it does make a difference
You will use more hours from your entitlement taking weeks in autumn and winter this year
You will use less hours up taking weeks in summer NEXT year but that’s part of a different years entitlement
This winter is tied with this summer and right now summer 2023 doesn’t cost any less hours
Hence seasonal variations should begin next April and not this autumn
Yes I know we get our leave in hrs but most of us still say I'm having a week off not I'm having 37 hrs off I do now see your point about seasonal variations shouldn't start until next April, I didn't seem to get that at first so if we have 111 hrs '3weeks' in winter left the 3rd 'week' will only have 33hrs in it so possibly losing a day off? Effectively
go into administration who cares the job isnt worth doing for next to nothing, same wage in less stressful industries, 3 years will be up we will be in line with minumum wage, absolute disgrace to think we knocked our pan in during covid for the greed at the top to reward themselves. I expect the propanganda to be rife in the next few weeks going into administration if we vote no all that crap, well screw u, im voting no jobs s**t
You are not the only one with this sentiment, the agreement will only destroy this job.
Who votes Yes for lesser terms?
Also New recruits will not stay in the job knowing they are poorer paid, work longer hours and Sundays too.
I do now see your point about seasonal variations shouldn't start until next April, I didn't seem to get that at first 
so if we have 111 hrs '3weeks' in winter left the 3rd 'week' will only have 33hrs in it so possibly losing a day off? Effectively