It is what every union does

[CRIBMAD]

We won nothing.

Not a flaming thing.

You were told by members time, and time again, it wasn't pay that worried them most, but the amount of more damage you might allow Royal Mail to inflict on our jobs, and our ever-shrinking T&Cs.

The in-road you have given those utter bastards to cut our sick pay is, quite frankly, the most astounding turd I've ever seen a union hurl at it's workers. They will be back demanding more, and get it, too.

Absorbtion. Remember agreeing to that?
It'll only be on the lightest day of the week, they whined. Remember?
Now look at the absolute f***ing state of it, and the members you threw under the bus by agreeing to such an awful proposal, that have to endure the daily pressure that f***ing piece of shite brings.

Those bastards you've let tickle your tummy, do not fear you, Ward, Fury, the CWU.
They know that with experienced full-timers coming towards the end of this f***ing sorry road, and I, along with 2 others at my very understaffed office, being among them, and with very angry members who have supported this union, losing pay even during Christmas, quitting the union because, well, because why not? They know they have you on the run.
Your presence in the workplace isn't going to worry RM bosses, not anymore.

You bloody, stupid, fools.
Sick pay cut.
Below inflation pay rise.
Later starts.
Deliveries anything up to 6 hours long.

Longer deliveries will see an increase in sickness.
Just as it did when you allowed the bastards to inflict 4 hour deliveries on us.
The company's answer to this, is the inhumane one, cut their sick pay to deter them from taking the time they need off.

I can't f***ing believe any union man worth his salt would condone that shite.

We won nothing, f**k all, nada.

YEP BRAVO tell it as it is no bullshit ! VOTE NO !

[CRIBMAD]

Something definitely not right here,like previous post says no union would ask members to except this dross,I actually thought somebody like MW would grow a pair,stand against this and but unfortunately he clearly doesn’t wanna risk his nice little number with “the boys”
It really is disgusting what’s happening here

Any union would wish to secure jobs and conditions when they are dealing with an employer about to post record losses for the year. That and they have secured a pay-rise, but sure, continue to post that we should continue to strike despite both sides saying this is the best they can do. I ask you, as I do everyone on here, what do you hope to achieve by voting no? I have never had a response yet. Be the first.

You may want to work under these conditions i do not ! VOTE NO and as Terry P said i would rather see the company go under than take the crap you are OBVIOUSLY willing to bend over and take !!!! there is your answer !!!!

[richj2009]

Something definitely not right here,like previous post says no union would ask members to except this dross,I actually thought somebody like MW would grow a pair,stand against this and but unfortunately he clearly doesn’t wanna risk his nice little number with “the boys”
It really is disgusting what’s happening here

Any union would wish to secure jobs and conditions when they are dealing with an employer about to post record losses for the year. That and they have secured a pay-rise, but sure, continue to post that we should continue to strike despite both sides saying this is the best they can do. I ask you, as I do everyone on here, what do you hope to achieve by voting no? I have never had a response yet. Be the first.

The fact of the matter is Royal mail have broken the deal already by not reversing already imposed ridiculous revisions or cancelled others that would mean working even longer over finish times. Those who don't wish to work over leave mail therfore a breach of the uso is achieved. Royal mail state within the deal to honour the uso. Their expectation of honouring the uso can't be based upon the fact everyone is happy to go over in excess of an hour a day. Even if we vote yes its already broken and i very much doubt they will honour any other aspect. The last time an agreement was made with regards to executive action a few months ago they carried on within the very week that signed agreement became public. A yes vote is meaningless.

[k979aaa]

The failure is regulation by Ofcom and inability to hold those who are in charge with the full force of their actions for counts.
1 Negetfull and deliberant delay of the mail and also parcels
2 Willful disregard of financial regulations and in it self caused this crisis
3 Under preforming their role
It is not for me to make laws of this fair land but it is up to us all to defend the institutions of our land and make these institutions f***ing WORK!

[dazzler123]

The failure is regulation by Ofcom and inability to hold those who are in charge with the full force of their actions for counts.
1 Negetfull and deliberant delay of the mail and also parcels
2 Willful disregard of financial regulations and in it self caused this crisis
3 Under preforming their role
It is not for me to make laws of this fair land but it is up to us all to defend the institutions of our land and make these institutions f***ing WORK!

It feels more than an Ofcom failure, more than a downright avoidance of holding them to account. fingers in ears looking the other way hoping the noise dies down

lie under oath then double down knowing you have free reign, its despicable

[dazzler123]

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[k979aaa]

I reply to Martin as the title says is a formula ie sweep it under the carpet deal not having ago at him personally this deal is nothing we can count on we all do our job's day in day out. This deal falls far short of what we promised in the TWO ballots we had. And given we are in hard times ahead. Thing is most unions communicate and they don't communicate well enough!

[DGH]

This may well be the best deal that could have been got, and it's certain that it is the deal we've got in front of us at the moment. Yes it may be better than 'no deal'.

But it's still absolutely awful. Other than a (considerably) below inflation pay rise, there is not one single thing that will improve our working lives. There are also a lot of rather wishful promises with the usual RM inserted caveats that mean they will be able to ignore them.

If the union would acknowledge that rather than tub thumping about how much they achieved, I'd be a bit happier.

[richj2009]

Yes or no the job is so physically agreessive now noone will be able to do it more than a few years as bodies will conk out. That's why Royal mail shafted sick and ill health as they too know it's ridiculous. That's Royal mails insurance policy and the union have agreed to it. That blows my mind

[richj2009]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

[k979aaa]

Longest surrender letter post in history

[richj2009]

Sorry dude

[Ad_bee]

Yes or no the job is so physically agreessive now noone will be able to do it more than a few years as bodies will conk out. That's why Royal mail shafted sick and ill health as they too know it's ridiculous. That's Royal mails insurance policy and the union have agreed to it. That blows my mind

Maybe, in the rarified (and possibly substance abusing) world they live in, that's exactly thier plan?

No, it wont work and we all know why, but they don't?

.....also they don't care 'cos they're rich enough anyway?

This has hallmarks of running the business into the ground and there are sound financial reasons for doing that for short-term profiteers and by the time the public realises it'll be 10 years too late?

I thank Martin and the unions efforts but spidey-sense is urging that its 'game over' so might as well roll the dice again and vote "no".

I don't want to green-light this nonsense or assent to the fairer T's&C's that past-posties won for us traduced and wrecked.

Also I reckon that the assertion that accounts (balance sheets) don't lie, to be a bit off-beat. Accounts lie all the time, its literally the day-job of accountants to do that.

Roll the dice again1....if we're bust we're bust!

[richj2009]

Yes or no the job is so physically agreessive now noone will be able to do it more than a few years as bodies will conk out. That's why Royal mail shafted sick and ill health as they too know it's ridiculous. That's Royal mails insurance policy and the union have agreed to it. That blows my mind

Maybe, in the rarified (and possibly substance abusing) world they live in, that's exactly thier plan?

No, it wont work and we all know why, but they don't?

.....also they don't care 'cos they're rich enough anyway?

This has hallmarks of running the business into the ground and there are sound financial reasons for doing that for short-term profiteers and by the time the public realises it'll be 10 years too late?

I thank Martin and the unions efforts but spidey-sense is urging that its 'game over' so might as well roll the dice again and vote "no".

I don't want to green-light this nonsense or assent to the fairer T's&C's that past-posties won for us traduced and wrecked.

Also I reckon that the assertion that accounts (balance sheets) don't lie, to be a bit off-beat. Accounts lie all the time, its literally the day-job of accountants to do that.

Roll the dice again1....if we're bust we're bust!

Totally. The job is dead and unachievable long term. It may as well be brought down if need be as we lose either way in terms of job security. You won't be able to do it even if you want to. If you refuse that's when the bullying will really be ramped up and you go off with stress. But you won't get paid lol. OK I'll leave ill health. You've been off for a few months so you leave with nothing. It's totally screwed. VOTE NO. we lose either way. Might as well bring those cretins down.

[mjd24]

Yes or no the job is so physically agreessive now noone will be able to do it more than a few years as bodies will conk out. That's why Royal mail shafted sick and ill health as they too know it's ridiculous. That's Royal mails insurance policy and the union have agreed to it. That blows my mind

Thats what i feared but my reality is that since our revision im actually walking less due to having so many tracked to deliver as well as what feels like ever increasing number of Specials and consumer collections.

In a way the less walking is what my body needs but its just such a demoralising, frustrating and . . . CRAZY way to be working, all caused by just STUPID decisions made by people who’ve never done the job.

The chaos in my office yesterday was something ive not seen in over 15 years with Royal Mail.