It is what every union does

[chrisj]

what has all this PDA data and tracking workers all day told you that these revisions were doeable, along with the cherry on top with auto redelivery? They have crashed the company and continue to do more damage every step.

Not a chance that info has been used to balance the workload, just take the hours out and deal with the shitshow

That is the reality - the Agreements will not fix that and the CWU will not monitor the day to day grind; they might even be powerless to do anything about infringements

[nuisance]

We balloted on pay and change two separate ballots but Royal Mail made it clear that pay would have to be linked to strings.

The reballot was pay and changed combined.

Well there's your first epic demonstration of pitiful weakness right there. Just because someone "makes themselves clear" doesn't mean that you have to take any more notice of them! Personally, I would have made it clear to them that pay being linked to strings was unacceptable to the membership, and continued with the separate ballots. You know as well as I do that in the end members would bend and concede on pay but not on terms and conditions. You have helped engineer RM's agenda of detrimental change with your combined ballot. You, Sir, are making me increasingly angry about this situation. Get back on side with the union membership or F off and run a company with the other a-holes.

[Acca Dacca]

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[Acca Dacca]

Also once this sickness policy is in place, it's never going back. I don't care about them saying if it's below a certain percentage it'll be reversed. If it comes in we'll be stuck with it, and will probably take it all away in a couple years time.

It is insulting to the intelligence for the Union to say that the sickness policy will be reversed - I wouldn't do if I were RM. Moreover, the sickness absence will end up being worse as staff in delivery and non-overtimers will take longer sick days...

It doesn’t make any sense for them to reverse

They will point to any reduction in sickness levels as proof that the new sick pay procedure works in reducing absence

Why would they want to reverse if they think it works?

[Spartacus]

Conceding so much ground and giving up so many hard fought for rights and claiming it as a victory is beyond belief.

This deal only lasts another 18 months then what will they come for, paid breaks, another attack on sick pay, pensions?

What will we do then, concede some more and claim another victory?

The CWU are sitting there shouting "it's only a flesh wound"

Vote No and stand up and fight the bosses, both CWU and Royal Mail.

[Flashman_]

Everyone understands change,pay and ways of working but when your terms and conditions are attacked that the workers worked hard to achieve over decades of struggle that is a definite red line that no union should compromise on,over the years unions as a whole have let it sneak in where employers start to dictate and we all know its not for the benefit of the workers only to fill their already large bank accounts,we have all seen it and we all know whats going on. Personally i think since the miners strike which in itself was a unique dispute the unions seem to have shrunk back in their shell frightened to take on the establishment for fear of losing,that fear is what these lot thrive on ,Royal Mail like many other companies smell it and start all the threats,bullying and abuse and the union shrinks back in that shell.In the last 3 disputes they have chipped away and its now come down to the final blow for most members,its time the union listened to its members they are ready to fight and risk all for a decent job and working life,they must lead us forward and achieve this when the NO vote comes back.In my personnel opinion this agreement is dead in the water we have gained absolutely nothing and lost so much,maybe its time the top of the union started to look at this dispute differently ,we need something to vote for not against if that makes sense.

Brilliantly put, totally agree.

[k979aaa]

It is not the peoples members fault nor sometimes the union but regulation and deregulation of the laws of the land conservatism is a green light of revisionism and hark back to the press gangs and servitude of us all.

[DirtyHarry]

We won nothing.

Not a flaming thing.

You were told by members time, and time again, it wasn't pay that worried them most, but the amount of more damage you might allow Royal Mail to inflict on our jobs, and our ever-shrinking T&Cs.

The in-road you have given those utter bastards to cut our sick pay is, quite frankly, the most astounding turd I've ever seen a union hurl at it's workers. They will be back demanding more, and get it, too.

Absorbtion. Remember agreeing to that?
It'll only be on the lightest day of the week, they whined. Remember?
Now look at the absolute f***ing state of it, and the members you threw under the bus by agreeing to such an awful proposal, that have to endure the daily pressure that f***ing piece of shite brings.

Those bastards you've let tickle your tummy, do not fear you, Ward, Fury, the CWU.
They know that with experienced full-timers coming towards the end of this f***ing sorry road, and I, along with 2 others at my very understaffed office, being among them, and with very angry members who have supported this union, losing pay even during Christmas, quitting the union because, well, because why not? They know they have you on the run.
Your presence in the workplace isn't going to worry RM bosses, not anymore.

You bloody, stupid, fools.
Sick pay cut.
Below inflation pay rise.
Later starts.
Deliveries anything up to 6 hours long.

Longer deliveries will see an increase in sickness.
Just as it did when you allowed the bastards to inflict 4 hour deliveries on us.
The company's answer to this, is the inhumane one, cut their sick pay to deter them from taking the time they need off.

I can't f***ing believe any union man worth his salt would condone that shite.

We won nothing, f**k all, nada.

[Valentina@1]

I’m convinced Simon Thompson passed a CD to Dave ward who then slotted in Martin Walsh’s back & off he goesthis bloke is biggest turn coat,
Stop toeing company line mate & listen to your membership,nobody falling for your spill

[Cedar_Room]

We won nothing.

Not a flaming thing.

You were told by members time, and time again, it wasn't pay that worried them most, but the amount of more damage you might allow Royal Mail to inflict on our jobs, and our ever-shrinking T&Cs.

The in-road you have given those utter bastards to cut our sick pay is, quite frankly, the most astounding turd I've ever seen a union hurl at it's workers. They will be back demanding more, and get it, too.

Absorbtion. Remember agreeing to that?
It'll only be on the lightest day of the week, they whined. Remember?
Now look at the absolute f***ing state of it, and the members you threw under the bus by agreeing to such an awful proposal, that have to endure the daily pressure that f***ing piece of shite brings.

Those bastards you've let tickle your tummy, do not fear you, Ward, Fury, the CWU.
They know that with experienced full-timers coming towards the end of this f***ing sorry road, and I, along with 2 others at my very understaffed office, being among them, and with very angry members who have supported this union, losing pay even during Christmas, quitting the union because, well, because why not? They know they have you on the run.
Your presence in the workplace isn't going to worry RM bosses, not anymore.

You bloody, stupid, fools.
Sick pay cut.
Below inflation pay rise.
Later starts.
Deliveries anything up to 6 hours long.

Longer deliveries will see an increase in sickness.
Just as it did when you allowed the bastards to inflict 4 hour deliveries on us.
The company's answer to this, is the inhumane one, cut their sick pay to deter them from taking the time they need off.

I can't f***ing believe any union man worth his salt would condone that shite.

We won nothing, f**k all, nada.

Wow! What a post! Bravo sir

[worktotime]

Thanks Lou.

Space no one trusts Royal Mail that is why there is a need for the trade union to hold them to account.

The fact is this agreement is the best vehicle to stop executive action. No agreement will mean Royal Mail are legal obligated to introduce an unagreed business plan and that will be by executive action.

RTP, we are working through this we have up to 90 and now working up to 60. We would also want to show you what Royal Mail’s up to 3 hours proposal did for your unit.

why do you keep going on about what royal fail wanted like the 3 hour later starts etc , we all knew they where trying it on but in our office there are posties who cannot start 30 mins later due to there personal circumstances so they will have to leave the job , we have had 4 long term posties leave in the last 2 weeks because of the job as it is and non been replaced so it looks like the cwu are doing royal fails job for them on cutting staff and remember the more staff / members that leave also weakens the unions stance , great job

[Valentina@1]

Something definitely not right here,like previous post says no union would ask members to except this dross,I actually thought somebody like MW would grow a pair,stand against this and but unfortunately he clearly doesn’t wanna risk his nice little number with “the boys”
It really is disgusting what’s happening here

[LouBarlow]

Something definitely not right here,like previous post says no union would ask members to except this dross,I actually thought somebody like MW would grow a pair,stand against this and but unfortunately he clearly doesn’t wanna risk his nice little number with “the boys”
It really is disgusting what’s happening here

Any union would wish to secure jobs and conditions when they are dealing with an employer about to post record losses for the year. That and they have secured a pay-rise, but sure, continue to post that we should continue to strike despite both sides saying this is the best they can do. I ask you, as I do everyone on here, what do you hope to achieve by voting no? I have never had a response yet. Be the first.

[nuisance]

Any union would wish to secure jobs and conditions when they are dealing with an employer about to post record losses for the year. That and they have secured a pay-rise, but sure, continue to post that we should continue to strike despite both sides saying this is the best they can do. I ask you, as I do everyone on here, what do you hope to achieve by voting no? I have never had a response yet. Be the first.

On change: I hope to achieve zero destruction of the current terms and conditions I go to work on. I would like to achieve improved t&c's but I am not optimistic that this is possible. I am committed to, at least, keeping what I have and I am furious that the union has moved from this position. It is shameful. A no vote must be followed up with better organised industrial action.

On pay: I no longer hope to achieve anything but I am still prepared to support pushing for a decent pay rise, we have been mugged off in this respect along with all the other attacks which the union are doing virtually nothing about.

[redlen]

The strategy from the top on how this dispute been managed has been a farce from day one with the CWU being out of its league compared to how Royal Mail runs their counter campaign. If a vote no secured, then god help us if it is this lot running the campaign again totally outclassed.

Chris Webb and the Media and Coms dept have been an embarrassment with his juvenile playground antics. He is out of his depth and it shows. Best get a professional into the position who knows what they are doing.

Martin Walsh have some sympathy with, even though on occasions we have locked horns. Know he is a committed union man and sincere. The problem is that they bridle him with his paymasters and has to follow the company line.

The whole settlement proposal stinks of capitulation with previously hard fought terms and conditions on the picket line. Let us not forget it was the CWU who allowed this attack on terms and conditions with tearing up that no strike agreement in the Agenda for Growth.

The next election with national CWU positions, people need to instigate change at the top and the whole CWU Constitution repealed. End this situation where the PEC is stuffed with NEC Members simply doing a rubber stamp job as it stinks of the old boy network and cronyism.