It is what every union does

[carlosevenos]

Also once this sickness policy is in place, it's never going back. I don't care about them saying if it's below a certain percentage it'll be reversed. If it comes in we'll be stuck with it, and will probably take it all away in a couple years time.

[Linden14]

Due diligence at the start would of helped you set out a better set of goals than just going all in and saying no strings payrise etc.People believed what you were saying,that is the problem here Martin.Very short sighted.

[denhamhoop]

Martin thanks for your help and personal views but if we accept this deal we have already given away our terms and conditions in a year or 2 they will come for the rest of our terms we will have nothing left we all understand the consequences of a no vote with regards to 10 000 compulsory redundancies i think that 20 000 or 30 000 people want to leave the business so would probably have been voluntary also with the removal of the fittings we will be out up to an hour earlier we could end up with 6hour walks and finally with agreeing to work 39 hours in the winter where is the cwu 35 hour week they promised us we are going from 35 to 39 hours a no from me sorry mate

How do you think voting no will impact on your T&Cs? You will certainly be better off with an agreement in place and union support going forward. I don’t understand how people can think otherwise.

Only if you have faith in Royal Mail actually adhering to the Agreement the Revisions that were meant to be suspended whilst the talks were going on still went ahead so do you and others have faith that Royal Mail will adhere to any part of the Agreement that doesn't suit their Grand Plan for the Business. As for Union support not quite sure exactly what that means because I haven't actually seen any of our Union reps this year still it's only 5 months though do expect to see them soon as Local Elections are forthcoming so some babies will need kissing beforehand as always

[k979aaa]

Well thank you Martin for the post but I still don't like the deal for lots of reasons but It is and will be the only deal we get and it is not for me to tell you how to vote but vote you must all do!

[Cedar_Room]

Not singling to you out Martin as I have enjoyed reading your contributions over the years,but what a state we are in!

A totally unmanageable workload due to a fudged (so called) revision & complete chaos on a daily basis.

I recently returned from AL & my duty hadn’t been touched for 4-days (tracked aside,of course) - I know only too well that we have a start & finish time but this is of little consequence to the people who live on my duty when I’m sifting through boxes of mail containing kids birthday cards,NHS letters & legal documents that have been there for a week & longer. Sick to death of having to explain myself to the general public about what is happening to this complete car crash of a company & exasperated with being lectured to by people from both sides,RM & the CWU,as to why I should vote YES to this shameful agreement.

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that there will be a Royal Mail in the next few years. Sure,this agreement (when voted in) will paper over the cracks for a few months,maybe,but I guarantee that it will all come crashing down in 2024 & Dave & co. will again be banging the drum prompting us to vote X for more industrial action.

As a CWU member of almost two decades I have never felt so let down & abandoned,words I never thought I would type…

[Shirtbuttons]

The way it has gone people are voting with their feet. There won’t be any decent staff left in 2 years from now. There is a massive problem coming soon. Everyone wants out and they are seriously looking for other employment. Especially delivery staff. If you can’t afford to pay your staff it’s time to sit up and think this isn’t working. Time to shut up shop. It’s finished and everyone knows it.

[Cedar_Room]

The way it has gone people are voting with their feet. There won’t be any decent staff left in 2 years from now. There is a massive problem coming soon. Everyone wants out and they are seriously looking for other employment. Especially delivery staff. If you can’t afford to pay your staff it’s time to sit up and think this isn’t working. Time to shut up shop. It’s finished and everyone knows it.

You’re right. Five long serving employees (all union members) have left my DO in the past few months. None have been replaced. Nobody been made up,the hours seemingly abandoned yet the workload continues to increase

[k979aaa]

The way it has gone people are voting with their feet. There won’t be any decent staff left in 2 years from now. There is a massive problem coming soon. Everyone wants out and they are seriously looking for other employment. Especially delivery staff. If you can’t afford to pay your staff it’s time to sit up and think this isn’t working. Time to shut up shop. It’s finished and everyone knows it.

Well there are better jobs than this 5 or 10 years ago it was ok job now they are haemorrhaging money to senior management and shareholders!

[Jimbo8t2]

I’m not happy with the deal but was considering voting yes, the reason I’m leaning to voting no is the revisions, if you talk of administration et all by us voting no I get it I’d take this change to keep a job but the state of the revision will ruin Royal Mail as a parcel & letters company, there’s no point standing by a sinking ship & taking worse conditions. There was once a time not to long ago when I brought stuff I’d make sure it was RM delivery… now I’d actively shop elsewhere if it was RM. I’ve noticed a lot of my “customers” not getting RM delivery now also but cheaper more reliable couriers. But even that doesn’t change the fact if you put 1hr more work onto a round that only used to just get done before it it’ll be impossible. Sure mail is down things like personal letters/bank etc but the advertising catalogues etc are still high. How it is now 55+ tracked 20/30 non tracked 2/3 collections 2 boxes & 900 calls re delivery 30 min walk to and from delivery with 4hrs to do 5/6hrs work it’s not possible or business wise. We are failing you cannot blame 90% of the workforce on delivery, so unless RM and cwu agree to stop this revision nightmare now I shall vote no. & I don’t mean we will look at it I mean admit mistakes were made employ casuals for now to clear offices & employ people to ensure clear offices. I won’t hold me breath

[dazzler123]

what has all this PDA data and tracking workers all day told you that these revisions were doeable, along with the cherry on top with auto redelivery? They have crashed the company and continue to do more damage every step.

Not a chance that info has been used to balance the workload, just take the hours out and deal with the shitshow

[Jimbo8t2]

It’s a messed up situation.

[Acca Dacca]

"The union are misleading people by saying you get SSP for first 2 days. In reality, you don't get any pay for the first few days, as SSP doesn't pay out after a few days. But the union are making people think you get some sort of payment in the first couple days, as they don't know how SSP works."

Have the CWU &/or RM ever given a definitive answer on this point? If not can Martin Walsh clarify this point once and for all?

Ricky McAuley has confirmed in a RM video that first two days of second absence is unpaid

[chrisj]

* What is the Union's excuse for not knowing about the financial situation when they were invited earlier on to come and look at the books... And it was so obvious that the financial situation after COVID and high energy prices, high inflation and reduced purchasing power were all recipes for a dire trading situation for a Courier industry. The CWU were too amateurish and up into the conspiracy theories that they could not see the woods from the trees

You are giving them too many excuses.

I’m not saying they have performed perfectly at all. I’ve long since said we are voting on which we think is the best of two bad scenarios, but for me, supporting the union is always going to be the better option which is why I will be voting yes. Honestly, we are in for a s**t show going forward either way, I just would prefer it be with more money in my pocket and at least some binding agreement on paper.

What exactly is binding in the Agreement? You give them too much credit...

This agreement last 2 years, we are already into the time period...

I dont agree with you that we would have been worse off without the way the CWU have handled what should have been a cooperation and tempering of worst case scenario to full blown dispute that has cost members money and almost wrecked an already creaking business.

Martin is now furiously posting on forums but he was not that forthcoming at the start of around Christmas or even before the disastrous Parliamentary session and failed strike attempt after Christmas. They have treated members like children and an inconvenience - there needs to be changes at the top of the CWU.

Win the ballot win the dispute? Now he is telling us that it was never about winning but limiting the damage; if that was their initial approach, we could have got one off cost of living crisis around May 2022 on top of the pay rise offered by RM. RM even said that the Union never approached them about a cost of living payment separately from a pay rise.

They have mismanaged the whole affair but we are stuck with the CWU, for now.

The dispute went on too long causing distress to workers and damaging the reputation and future of the business - and for what?

* Too much emphasis on Agreements rather than what is actually happening and how to enforce such agreements.

** Yes, it feels like a campaign session to dampen the worker's anger and get the deal through... It is just nauseating!

[k979aaa]

"The union are misleading people by saying you get SSP for first 2 days. In reality, you don't get any pay for the first few days, as SSP doesn't pay out after a few days. But the union are making people think you get some sort of payment in the first couple days, as they don't know how SSP works."

Have the CWU &/or RM ever given a definitive answer on this point? If not can Martin Walsh clarify this point once and for all?

Ricky McAuley has confirmed in a RM video that first two days of second absence is unpaid

This is why I disagree with this agreement sick pay IHR and they pay deal we all accept change will happen and the job will change and people change in time. But you cannot help being ill or unable to work for reasons beyond your control.

[chrisj]

Also once this sickness policy is in place, it's never going back. I don't care about them saying if it's below a certain percentage it'll be reversed. If it comes in we'll be stuck with it, and will probably take it all away in a couple years time.

It is insulting to the intelligence for the Union to say that the sickness policy will be reversed - I wouldn't do if I were RM. Moreover, the sickness absence will end up being worse as staff in delivery and non-overtimers will take longer sick days...