If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

[SpacePhoenix]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

In practice I can't see there effectively being any union involvement eve if we were to vote yes

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

In practice I can't see there effectively being any union involvement eve if we were to vote yes

You are likely right. At least this way we get the extra cash. Voting out this deal just seems pointless if it negates one of the few positives from the agreement.

[guardianangel]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

[guardianangel]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

[pieoftheday]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Dont changed start and finish times, theres no real reason to change them, dont take away sick pay,no need for seasonal variations, just these and all of a sudden a lot more people would think more favourably about the deal?

[postslippete]

You’ve said you’re voting no on many threads but what would you accept?

1. A shorter working week of 35 hours all year round. The seasonal variation is a con so that RM don't have to pay out overtime when they are busier. They did this with the longs and shorts. But there is the additional issue of the business pushing through later starts/finishes and also expecting staff to work additional hours. And the fact that we will be kicking it off in autumn with Royal Mail owing us the hours.

2. Sick leave/absence and IHR to remain the same. I know RM has a generous sick policy but we do a physical job, we have an ageing workforce, the business is giving us bigger duties and is currently looking at reducing indoor time so as to give us even bigger outdoor spans. And then the union agree for us to work more hours in winter when they have for years been pushing for a shorter working week!! Ensuring people don't feel overworked is important in reducing physical and stress related absences and would actually help RM thrive in terms of productivity and staff well being.

3. Better pay offer. RM offered 2 pay deals to the union, one for £500 and the other for £1.5k. Having looked extensively into IDS finances I'm convinced that there is more money available in the pot.....for example, the bonuses that COMs will likely get for successful revisions. RM have NEVER been honest about their financial position. Royal Mail's past profits have enable them to buy companies like GLS and as companies go they have always had a really strong balance sheet


This deal has been reluctantly accepted by the union though and I really can't believe that Martin Walsh has the audacity to mention about RM going into administration. Some posties will obviously be daft enough to believe that.

[postslippete]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

[Nickvilla20]

You’ve said you’re voting no on many threads but what would you accept?

1. A shorter working week of 35 hours all year round. The seasonal variation is a con so that RM don't have to pay out overtime when they are busier. They did this with the longs and shorts. But there is the additional issue of the business pushing through later starts/finishes and also expecting staff to work additional hours. And the fact that we will be kicking it off in autumn with Royal Mail owing us the hours.

2. Sick leave/absence and IHR to remain the same. I know RM has a generous sick policy but we do a physical job, we have an ageing workforce, the business is giving us bigger duties and is currently looking at reducing indoor time so as to give us even bigger outdoor spans. And then the union agree for us to work more hours in winter when they have for years been pushing for a shorter working week!! Ensuring people don't feel overworked is important in reducing physical and stress related absences and would actually help RM thrive in terms of productivity and staff well being.

3. Better pay offer. RM offered 2 pay deals to the union, one for £500 and the other for £1.5k. Having looked extensively into IDS finances I'm convinced that there is more money available in the pot.....for example, the bonuses that COMs will likely get for successful revisions. RM have NEVER been honest about their financial position. Royal Mail's past profits have enable them to buy companies like GLS and as companies go they have always had a really strong balance sheet


This deal has been reluctantly accepted by the union though and I really can't believe that Martin Walsh has the audacity to mention about RM going into administration. Some posties will obviously be daft enough to believe that.

Very good points. I wouldn’t be surprised if a bigger lump sum suddenly appears to get this deal over the line.

[LouBarlow]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

I’m not defending the union though. I am saying that the deal presented is clearly the best they could manage. Not having a plan B sounds like the perfect time to vote for plan A as it is either that or, well what? Nobody seems to offer an explanation as to what they hope to achieve with a no vote.

[Nickvilla20]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

I’m not defending the union though. I am saying that the deal presented is clearly the best they could manage. Not having a plan B sounds like the perfect time to vote for plan A as it is either that or, well what? Nobody seems to offer an explanation as to what they hope to achieve with a no vote.

A no vote will just mean they implement the deal regardless and the union will be completely smashed to pieces if the leaving threats are true.

[LouBarlow]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

I’m not defending the union though. I am saying that the deal presented is clearly the best they could manage. Not having a plan B sounds like the perfect time to vote for plan A as it is either that or, well what? Nobody seems to offer an explanation as to what they hope to achieve with a no vote.

A no vote will just mean they implement the deal regardless and the union will be completely smashed to pieces if the leaving threats are true.

Exactly. Which is why I ask the No voters what they hope to achieve. I can understand people voting yes. I can’t with the No voters.

[Nickvilla20]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

I’m not defending the union though. I am saying that the deal presented is clearly the best they could manage. Not having a plan B sounds like the perfect time to vote for plan A as it is either that or, well what? Nobody seems to offer an explanation as to what they hope to achieve with a no vote.

A no vote will just mean they implement the deal regardless and the union will be completely smashed to pieces if the leaving threats are true.

Exactly. Which is why I ask the No voters what they hope to achieve. I can understand people voting yes. I can’t with the No voters.

It seems I’m coming across liking the deal and defending the union but I’m really not.

I’m seeing thing’s realistically as soon as the company got very aggressive we knew we were facing heavy concessions. The problem was the union promised much and have delivered little and now the huge support and losses of wages have achieved barely anything.

I’m still undecided how to vote I may just end up abstaining it’s not a good deal but it’s probably the best we are going to get.

Just look at what the NHS unions have accepted and now they are imposing that pay rise on the nurses who are still striking and that’s exactly what Royal Mail will do to it.

It really seems Royal Mail’s divide and conquer strategy has paid off.