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If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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Example:
NO Do you agree with accepting the agreement
Yes Do you agree with not accepting the agreement
Look at the wording and the choice you have it should be yes or no.
Thing is just saying NO or YES is not what the ballot paper says read it learn and if you put an X in the box
Do one thing know who your voting for and the reasons and policy's they have and have some photo ID with you!
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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TopperGas wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 19:19
By then we could well have a Labour Government in charge and it might not be so easy for RM to walk all over the CWU.
Seems more than a little naive, to say the least.
Pinning hopes on Slippery Starmer being any friend of the Working Man (should he get into power, which as yet is far from guaranteed) seems fanciful.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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Tman wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 19:08
TopperGas wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 19:19
By then we could well have a Labour Government in charge and it might not be so easy for RM to walk all over the CWU.
Seems more than a little naive, to say the least.
Pinning hopes on Slippery Starmer being any friend of the Working Man (should he get into power, which as yet is far from guaranteed) seems fanciful.
Too left-wing for you!
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Working people don't have time, never have had time to run a country that's the point, they made it hard enuff to survive let alone run a country...
We know what it takes to live but now we're being just told to survive, by those fattened on the work of our Labour....
Vote No
Fu....em
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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pmn123 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 21:41
Working people don't have time, never have had time to run a country that's the point, they made it hard enuff to survive let alone run a country...
We know what it takes to live but now we're being just told to survive, by those fattened on the work of our Labour....
Vote No
Fu....em
Don't tell people how to vote. Let them choose themselves.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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sweepster70 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 23:02
pmn123 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 21:41
Working people don't have time, never have had time to run a country that's the point, they made it hard enuff to survive let alone run a country...
We know what it takes to live but now we're being just told to survive, by those fattened on the work of our Labour....
Vote No
Fu....em
Don't tell people how to vote. Let them choose themselves.
Exactly :thumbup
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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k979aaa wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 19:57
Too left-wing for you!
Starmer Left Wing? Further proof that you've lost the plot.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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Tman wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:19
k979aaa wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 19:57
Too left-wing for you!
Starmer Left Wing? Further proof that you've lost the plot.
Said for you
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There won’t be any more strikes.

Why would the union call more strikes when they’ve agreed a deal with the company?

You’ve said you’re voting no on many threads but what would you accept?
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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LouBarlow wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:07
guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.
We would have to be reballoted for strike anyway and the union won’t do that as they have an agreement.

I get why people will vote no but I’ve not seen any decent counter proposals to the offer.

Seems the union were their own worse enemy in some ways and promised more than they could deliver. Big changes were always going to happen.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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LouBarlow wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:07
guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.
I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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Nickvilla20 wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:39
LouBarlow wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:07
guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.
We would have to be reballoted for strike anyway and the union won’t do that as they have an agreement.

I get why people will vote no but I’ve not seen any decent counter proposals to the offer.

Seems the union were their own worse enemy in some ways and promised more than they could deliver. Big changes were always going to happen.
Disagree ,the rcn backed the deal and the nurses voted NO so they are now back on strike ,we have a mandate until August so when it comes back NO i would expect strikes to be called for end of June until August before reballot,
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Re: If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

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guardianangel wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:52
Nickvilla20 wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:39
LouBarlow wrote:
02 May 2023, 05:07
guardianangel wrote:
01 May 2023, 17:48
We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.
There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.
We would have to be reballoted for strike anyway and the union won’t do that as they have an agreement.

I get why people will vote no but I’ve not seen any decent counter proposals to the offer.

Seems the union were their own worse enemy in some ways and promised more than they could deliver. Big changes were always going to happen.
Disagree ,the rcn backed the deal and the nurses voted NO so they are now back on strike ,we have a mandate until August so when it comes back NO i would expect strikes to be called for end of June until August before reballot,
It won’t happen. The appetite for striking is now gone we was out for 18 days and this was the best they could come up with.

I admire your fighting spirit but in reality none of that is going to happen. Also nurses and teachers are an essential service and we aren’t. We are now just another delivery company.