100% agree. Martin Walsh could have posted proof of their financial situation & they still would be spewing all that boll*cks.
There have always been people spewing bollocks on RMC but I have never known so much anti-union bollocks.
Not just anti CWU but anti trade unionism.
Perhaps instead of wanking on about "the enemy within" etc they could publish the minutes of their rank-and-file committee meetings?
That might make interesting reading.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
You have voted yes all along so far in this dispute.
The slogans “win the ballot win the dispute” and even the original 10% no strings attached dream have given the CWU the best ammunition to get the best deal they can.
Even when independent negotiators agreed that RM had financial difficulties you still backed the CWU to get you a deal.
And they have.
It may not be what they want; or even what they promised but it’s, in their opinion, the best we can get.
Yet now, people seem to have turned 180. They are going to do the opposite of what the union recommends and even threaten to leave the union because all of a sudden they are “in bed with RM.”
Voting no will lead to massive uncertainty. RM could make the deal worse.
You have voted yes all along so far in this dispute.
The slogans “win the ballot win the dispute” and even the original 10% no strings attached dream have given the CWU the best ammunition to get the best deal they can.
Even when independent negotiators agreed that RM had financial difficulties you still backed the CWU to get you a deal.
And they have.
It may not be what they want; or even what they promised but it’s, in their opinion, the best we can get.
Yet now, people seem to have turned 180. They are going to do the opposite of what the union recommends and even threaten to leave the union because all of a sudden they are “in bed with RM.”
Voting no will lead to massive uncertainty. RM could make the deal worse.
And they could make it worse.
Still voting no ,
There will be massive uncertainty even if we vote yes because royal mail will know they can make any changes they want at anytime without worrying about the very weak and clueless union we have ,
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
You have voted yes all along so far in this dispute.
The slogans “win the ballot win the dispute” and even the original 10% no strings attached dream have given the CWU the best ammunition to get the best deal they can.
Even when independent negotiators agreed that RM had financial difficulties you still backed the CWU to get you a deal.
And they have.
It may not be what they want; or even what they promised but it’s, in their opinion, the best we can get.
Yet now, people seem to have turned 180. They are going to do the opposite of what the union recommends and even threaten to leave the union because all of a sudden they are “in bed with RM.”
Voting no will lead to massive uncertainty. RM could make the deal worse.
And they could make it worse.
Still voting no ,
There will be massive uncertainty even if we vote yes because royal mail will know they can make any changes they want at anytime without worrying about the very weak and clueless union we have ,
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
But is it a sell out? Or is it actually the best deal they could have got?
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
And how many times have we heard this?
The Way Forward, BT2010, Pay & Mod etc etc.
There has always been a small but vocal minority on here that want to predict the end of the trade union.
I am sure if there had been the internet back in the day, people would have been predicting the end of the trade unions after they went back after 7 weeks out on strike.
It is all very predictable and slightly boring now.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
You have voted yes all along so far in this dispute.
The slogans “win the ballot win the dispute” and even the original 10% no strings attached dream have given the CWU the best ammunition to get the best deal they can.
Even when independent negotiators agreed that RM had financial difficulties you still backed the CWU to get you a deal.
And they have.
It may not be what they want; or even what they promised but it’s, in their opinion, the best we can get.
Yet now, people seem to have turned 180. They are going to do the opposite of what the union recommends and even threaten to leave the union because all of a sudden they are “in bed with RM.”
Voting no will lead to massive uncertainty. RM could make the deal worse.
And they could make it worse.
Still voting no ,
There will be massive uncertainty even if we vote yes because royal mail will know they can make any changes they want at anytime without worrying about the very weak and clueless union we have ,
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
But is it a sell out? Or is it actually the best deal they could have got?
It is a sell out deal in my opinion ,
The people who think this will all end if we vote yes a badly mistaken ,
They will come back again and again with constant changes knowing full well how weak the members have been in voting yes and how weak the union have been .
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
And how many times have we heard this?
The Way Forward, BT2010, Pay & Mod etc etc.
There has always been a small but vocal minority on here that want to predict the end of the trade union.
I am sure if there had been the internet back in the day, people would have been predicting the end of the trade unions after they went back after 7 weeks out on strike.
It is all very predictable and slightly boring now.
All the agreements you've mentioned had some tangible benefits within them, there were winners and losers, that is what caused the controversy.
I can see nothing at all within this agreement that benefits postal workers, it's some achievement to get an agreement where all your working conditions get worse, there is not a single thing in this agreement that creates winners and losers, we're all losers.
It will get voted through due to a mixture of weariness, apathy and fear of what happens next.
Nobody will trust the union again after this sellout deal .
And how many times have we heard this?
The Way Forward, BT2010, Pay & Mod etc etc.
There has always been a small but vocal minority on here that want to predict the end of the trade union.
I am sure if there had been the internet back in the day, people would have been predicting the end of the trade unions after they went back after 7 weeks out on strike.
It is all very predictable and slightly boring now.
All the agreements you've mentioned had some tangible benefits within them, there were winners and losers, that is what caused the controversy.
I can see nothing at all within this agreement that benefits postal workers, it's some achievement to get an agreement where all your working conditions get worse, there is not a single thing in this agreement that creates winners and losers, we're all losers.
It will get voted through due to a mixture of weariness, apathy and fear of what happens next.
You have voted yes all along so far in this dispute.
The slogans “win the ballot win the dispute” and even the original 10% no strings attached dream have given the CWU the best ammunition to get the best deal they can.
Even when independent negotiators agreed that RM had financial difficulties you still backed the CWU to get you a deal.
And they have.
It may not be what they want; or even what they promised but it’s, in their opinion, the best we can get.
Yet now, people seem to have turned 180. They are going to do the opposite of what the union recommends and even threaten to leave the union because all of a sudden they are “in bed with RM.”
Voting no will lead to massive uncertainty. RM could make the deal worse.
And they could make it worse.
To be fair, they have been making it worse with each deal they drum up with. It's just taken the union this long to actually realise what RM has been doing. Every fibre in my being is saying no to this shiet deal but, just sticking around at minute to see what comes of this. Wish it wasn't dragging for another 6 weeks but nothing else I can say or do about it.
Idea: Is it too late to amend the proposed 3 year deal to include the following so we ALL share the current burden & not drain RM coffers:
× Sharehoders: get no dividend payments for the 3 yrs,
× Management: for 3 yrs basic pay only no bonuses,
× CWU Reps: get no more backhanded RM pay for 3 yrs, either get paid by CWU for working for CWU or get paid by RM for doing your regular RM job and do the union work on a 'voluntary' basis in your spare time?
Idea: Is it too late to amend the proposed 3 year deal to include the following so we ALL share the current burden & not drain RM coffers:
× Sharehoders: get no dividend payments for the 3 yrs,
× Management: for 3 yrs basic pay only no bonuses,
× CWU Reps: get no more backhanded RM pay for 3 yrs, either get paid by CWU for working for CWU or get paid by RM for doing your regular RM job and do the union work on a 'voluntary' basis in your spare time?
I thought reps were voluntary, do they get paid? We don't have one, perhaps I'll go for it if it's paid. But finishing at 3.30pm means no school run for me, and presumably thousands of others, so I'll be voting no.
They will come for things like our paid breaks next time
Of course they will “come for” something more extreme in order to get what they really wanted and we will be told it’s a win that they only got our paid breaks
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
Who will be counting the votes? Thompson, Ward, Furey, and Williams? I’m telling you now there’s more chance of Chelsea scoring another goal this season than this agreement getting kicked out. No chance. Seemingly rigged as always. Independent adjudicators , my arse!
What an absolute farce this has turned into can't trust the employer can't trust the union were basically in no man's land.My biggest fear now is pensions thought I'd get a descent retirement one day but....
Idea: Is it too late to amend the proposed 3 year deal to include the following so we ALL share the current burden & not drain RM coffers:
× Sharehoders: get no dividend payments for the 3 yrs,
× Management: for 3 yrs basic pay only no bonuses,
× CWU Reps: get no more backhanded RM pay for 3 yrs, either get paid by CWU for working for CWU or get paid by RM for doing your regular RM job and do the union work on a 'voluntary' basis in your spare time?
I thought reps were voluntary, do they get paid? We don't have one, perhaps I'll go for it if it's paid. But finishing at 3.30pm means no school run for me, and presumably thousands of others, so I'll be voting no.
Look back at recent topics/ posts re: senior reps & pay
