The union need to step up and take the board on. They can't run a company without the staff alongside, and anyway if they win this it'll be a race to the bottom anyway. Nobody here wants to work for the likes of Evri/Amazon, but voting away your T&C's and accepting a paltry increase in pay is heading for the same.
Honestly where's the union spirit, all the disagreements fought and won in the past, and now we roll over because the board financially mismanaged the company and created this dire situation in the first place. All the effort and hard work postie's showed during COVID and this is the outcome? I think not. Stand up and vote no.
The union need to step up and take the board on. They can't run a company without the staff alongside, and anyway if they win this it'll be a race to the bottom anyway. Nobody here wants to work for the likes of Evri/Amazon, but voting away your T&C's and accepting a paltry increase in pay is heading for the same.
Honestly where's the union spirit, all the disagreements fought and won in the past, and now we roll over because the board financially mismanaged the company and created this dire situation in the first place. All the effort and hard work postie's showed during COVID and this is the outcome? I think not. Stand up and vote no.
The past is the past. This is the present. Who did what to who and when does not matter. The CWU would not recommend a deal without full knowledge of RMs financial situation. RM is asset rich but cash poor. RM will only be able to borrow from the banks if they have a stable future without industrial unrest. RM have acted appallingly in this dispute and normally I would vote no, but like the CWU I am not prepared to gamble on the future and put thousands of jobs at risk.
It's a s**t deal. I'll vote, No.
If the CWU think that by kowtowing to the RM board, they have saved their cushy existance, they're going to have another think coming.
I have never seen such disappointment and anger from so many.
And frankly, who can blame them?
The union need to step up and take the board on. They can't run a company without the staff alongside, and anyway if they win this it'll be a race to the bottom anyway. Nobody here wants to work for the likes of Evri/Amazon, but voting away your T&C's and accepting a paltry increase in pay is heading for the same.
Honestly where's the union spirit, all the disagreements fought and won in the past, and now we roll over because the board financially mismanaged the company and created this dire situation in the first place. All the effort and hard work postie's showed during COVID and this is the outcome? I think not. Stand up and vote no.
The past is the past. This is the present. Who did what to who and when does not matter. The CWU would not recommend a deal without full knowledge of RMs financial situation. RM is asset rich but cash poor. RM will only be able to borrow from the banks if they have a stable future without industrial unrest. RM have acted appallingly in this dispute and normally I would vote no, but like the CWU I am not prepared to gamble on the future and put thousands of jobs at risk.
Your argument is fundamentally flawed. If we reverse the so called facts and the company was cash rich and asset poor, they would only need to borrow from banks to expand infrastructure.
If they are cash poor but asset rich as you say, they are a prime candidate for a loan. They have massive amounts of collateral.
I get what you're saying in relation to repaying the loan but in reality they already have the "loan" in place. They called it a £1.7Bn war chest if I remember correctly.
You can trust a liar as many times as wish. But just remember that they will continue to lie to you, for as long as you keep believing them.
This company sat in front of a parliamentary commitee and openly lied....twice...and once under oath! So what exactly makes you think they would be telling the truth this time?
Your argument is fundamentally flawed. If we reverse the so called facts and the company was cash rich and asset poor, they would only need to borrow from banks to expand infrastructure.
If they are cash poor but asset rich as you say, they are a prime candidate for a loan. They have massive amounts of collateral.
I get what you're saying in relation to repaying the loan but in reality they already have the "loan" in place. They called it a £1.7Bn war chest if I remember correctly.
You can trust a liar as many times as wish. But just remember that they will continue to lie to you, for as long as you keep believing them.
This company sat in front of a parliamentary commitee and openly lied....twice...and once under oath! So what exactly makes you think they would be telling the truth this time?
After looking at the latest agreement/offer, I'm not happy with it. Its absolutely shocking, and the union promised so much and delivered so little. If they were honest from the start and said it'll be hard to get any sort of decent deal, it would have been more understandable. However over the months, they've got everyone's hopes up, and mentioned things like "no strings payrise" and "win the ballot, win the dispute". All this has done, is make members expect a decent agreement, and they deliver this sub par agreement. They are going to get negativity and it's all their own doing, as the members only want what was promised.
I feel outside of the context it's a definite no. But with the context of what's happened, I really don't know what to vote.
Like what would happen with a no vote. If the union don't believe we can get a better deal, how can we have faith in them delivering more with a no vote.
Also with a no vote, we will most likely have to go on strike again. But the problem with this, is that hardly anyone would strike as they won't have any faith in the union, so It won't work.
A no vote could be the end of the union, but a yes vote, could see the end of our terms and conditions in the long run. Really don't know which way to vote. Don't shoot me down. Just concerned.
I think the union and the company are prepared for a no vote and rm have a little sweetener to add to the deal should a no vote go ahead .
Note I used the word little .
I don't see it that way at all. The CWU engage in collective bargaining for members and they have made an agreement with the business which has been ratified by the PEC. The ballot is internal union politics.......there will be no better offer in the case of a no vote. RM have their agreement.
After looking at the latest agreement/offer, I'm not happy with it. Its absolutely shocking, and the union promised so much and delivered so little. If they were honest from the start and said it'll be hard to get any sort of decent deal, it would have been more understandable. However over the months, they've got everyone's hopes up, and mentioned things like "no strings payrise" and "win the ballot, win the dispute". All this has done, is make members expect a decent agreement, and they deliver this sub par agreement. They are going to get negativity and it's all their own doing, as the members only want what was promised.
I feel outside of the context it's a definite no. But with the context of what's happened, I really don't know what to vote.
Like what would happen with a no vote. If the union don't believe we can get a better deal, how can we have faith in them delivering more with a no vote.
Also with a no vote, we will most likely have to go on strike again. But the problem with this, is that hardly anyone would strike as they won't have any faith in the union, so It won't work.
A no vote could be the end of the union, but a yes vote, could see the end of our terms and conditions in the long run. Really don't know which way to vote. Don't shoot me down. Just concerned.
I think the union and the company are prepared for a no vote and rm have a little sweetener to add to the deal should a no vote go ahead .
Note I used the word little .
I don't see it that way at all. The CWU engage in collective bargaining for members and they have made an agreement with the business which has been ratified by the PEC. The ballot is internal union politics.......there will be no better offer in the case of a no vote. RM have their agreement.
RM may have a deal with the corrupt union , but they do not have a deal with us yet . The union is paid extremely well to be our mouthpiece NOT our master.
I'll vote no but despite everything being said on here and other social media including workplace fully expect it to be a yes vote like the last deal of the century. Where do we go from here? I'd guess worse and worse terms and conditions which the union will reluctantantly agree to because I don't think they'd dare ask for a strike ballot again anytime in the near future and probably won't have the membership numbers after this to make it feasible which could end with royal mail getting what they wanted all along, derecognising them
Same old cwu.lots of false promises.whatever deals weve been told to accept in the past have been crap with agreements with rm constantly broken.if striking was done more effectively then we wouldnt be in this mess.just dont vote yes unless you wanna be mugged off again.
The thing is will people strike in the future if there’s a mo vote. I just don’t think it will get the support and could result in the end of the union.
