I don't see where we go from here.

[carlosevenos]

After looking at the latest agreement/offer, I'm not happy with it. Its absolutely shocking, and the union promised so much and delivered so little. If they were honest from the start and said it'll be hard to get any sort of decent deal, it would have been more understandable. However over the months, they've got everyone's hopes up, and mentioned things like "no strings payrise" and "win the ballot, win the dispute". All this has done, is make members expect a decent agreement, and they deliver this sub par agreement. They are going to get negativity and it's all their own doing, as the members only want what was promised.

I feel outside of the context it's a definite no. But with the context of what's happened, I really don't know what to vote.

Like what would happen with a no vote. If the union don't believe we can get a better deal, how can we have faith in them delivering more with a no vote.

Also with a no vote, we will most likely have to go on strike again. But the problem with this, is that hardly anyone would strike as they won't have any faith in the union, so It won't work.

A no vote could be the end of the union, but a yes vote, could see the end of our terms and conditions in the long run. Really don't know which way to vote. Don't shoot me down. Just concerned.

[77SAMPOST77]

After looking at the latest agreement/offer, I'm not happy with it. Its absolutely shocking, and the union promised so much and delivered so little. If they were honest from the start and said it'll be hard to get any sort of decent deal, it would have been more understandable. However over the months, they've got everyone's hopes up, and mentioned things like "no strings payrise" and "win the ballot, win the dispute". All this has done, is make members expect a decent agreement, and they deliver this sub par agreement. They are going to get negativity and it's all their own doing, as the members only want what was promised.

I feel outside of the context it's a definite no. But with the context of what's happened, I really don't know what to vote.

Like what would happen with a no vote. If the union don't believe we can get a better deal, how can we have faith in them delivering more with a no vote.

Also with a no vote, we will most likely have to go on strike again. But the problem with this, is that hardly anyone would strike as they won't have any faith in the union, so It won't work.

A no vote could be the end of the union, but a yes vote, could see the end of our terms and conditions in the long run. Really don't know which way to vote. Don't shoot me down. Just concerned.

I think the union and the company are prepared for a no vote and rm have a little sweetener to add to the deal should a no vote go ahead .

Note I used the word little .

[RTP]

You think. You hope more like.

[11aaa222]

we can just vote no and that will protect our t&c's - we don't have to strike - necessarily.

Most of the terms of our employment are contractual and they simply can't change our start finish times and sick pay and absence policy without agreement - it is the law

so conclusion is as a potential option vote no reject the deal and keep our terms and conditions for as long as we can and RM you can stick the pay rise!

Howz about that for plan B !

[carlosevenos]

well as long as those things are protected. What bothers me the most is sick pay, as they are pretty much trying to get rid of it completely. No one knows what sickness's they could have in the future. Don't mind later starts personally, but can understand that its' bad for people with children and other commitments.

[carlosevenos]

like why are the union so easy to give up our sick pay. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[chickenwittle]

we can just vote no and that will protect our t&c's - we don't have to strike - necessarily.

Most of the terms of our employment are contractual and they simply can't change our start finish times and sick pay and absence policy without agreement - it is the law

so conclusion is as a potential option vote no reject the deal and keep our terms and conditions for as long as we can and RM you can stick the pay rise!

Howz about that for plan B !

Sounds good to me , also union leaders can step aside and hand the negotiating over to someone that will represent the members properly.

[badger1]

It is difficult to see where we go from here.
If it s a no vote it is probable that’s it’s close, maybe 60/40
Where then? Won’t be long until another vote is needed for strike action and it won’t be a strike backed by the union . Also will those who want the deal be prepared to strike?
I suspect the deal we have is the one we will have.
As well as voting against it you have two other choices, leave the union or at the next election vote against all current members of the PEC.
The mood at our office is a mix of anger and those who just want it all to be over with.

[thefox]

we can just vote no and that will protect our t&c's - we don't have to strike - necessarily.

Most of the terms of our employment are contractual and they simply can't change our start finish times and sick pay and absence policy without agreement - it is the law

so conclusion is as a potential option vote no reject the deal and keep our terms and conditions for as long as we can and RM you can stick the pay rise!

Howz about that for plan B !

Sounds good to me

[chickenwittle]

like why are the union so easy to give up our sick pay. Makes no sense whatsoever.

It’s crazy , not only have they caved in on ssp , they’ve also allowed review stages to become stricter meaning more conduct and dismissals.At worst it should have been one or the other, not both.

[Zicomurphy]

we can just vote no and that will protect our t&c's - we don't have to strike - necessarily.

Most of the terms of our employment are contractual and they simply can't change our start finish times and sick pay and absence policy without agreement - it is the law

so conclusion is as a potential option vote no reject the deal and keep our terms and conditions for as long as we can and RM you can stick the pay rise!

Howz about that for plan B !

Not according to the CWU. I was reading just this afternoon a personal statement by Tony Bouch who is a PEC member. He states that Royal Mail gave notice last September that the new sick pay policy, attendance standards, and IHR policy would be brought in by executive action from April 2023.

I’m no expert on employment law but I’d be wary of anyone stating as fact what Royal Mail can or can not bring in by executive action as on most occasions those posting won’t be experts on employment law either.

[Nickvilla20]

we can just vote no and that will protect our t&c's - we don't have to strike - necessarily.

Most of the terms of our employment are contractual and they simply can't change our start finish times and sick pay and absence policy without agreement - it is the law

so conclusion is as a potential option vote no reject the deal and keep our terms and conditions for as long as we can and RM you can stick the pay rise!

Howz about that for plan B !

Not according to the CWU. I was reading just this afternoon a personal statement by Tony Bouch who is a PEC member. He states that Royal Mail gave notice last September that the new sick pay policy, attendance standards, and IHR policy would be brought in by executive action from April 2023.

I’m no expert on employment law but I’d be wary of anyone stating as fact what Royal Mail can or can not bring in by executive action as on most occasions those posting won’t be experts on employment law either.

In reality Royal Mail could have gone down the fire and rehire route. Pretty sure Asda made all their employees sign new contracts.

[datasaint]

The union need to step up and take the board on. They can't run a company without the staff alongside, and anyway if they win this it'll be a race to the bottom anyway. Nobody here wants to work for the likes of Evri/Amazon, but voting away your T&C's and accepting a paltry increase in pay is heading for the same.

Honestly where's the union spirit, all the disagreements fought and won in the past, and now we roll over because the board financially mismanaged the company and created this dire situation in the first place. All the effort and hard work postie's showed during COVID and this is the outcome? I think not. Stand up and vote no.

[Sbutts8182]

I’m voting yes, it’s a s**t deal and I hate the changes but those changes are coming in whatever, I’d rather take the payrise, lump sum and protections they are offering than get nothing and have the changes imposed.

[Poppyellie69]

Correct vote no,we deserve much much better!!!