If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

[Nickvilla20]

Anybody thinking this will be a majority yes vote is not reading the room!

Forgot the poll on here if you want, ignore it but you just ask your office and it will echo that poll and then some.

It's time to stand up, we are the Union and we'll decide if this is the deal for us.

I am confident in saying it will be voted out.

Asking people in one delivery office is even less scientific than the poll here. You realise there are thousands across the country, with people with different considerations working in them?

If there are 100 in a delivery office it is somewhat representative. Of course only 30 then no.

No, because certain offices are more militant than others. People are guided by the people around them and influenced to vote based on this. You cannot say, ‘well I asked a few people and they all said they are voting no’ and apply that blanket statement to over 100,000 people.

People don’t always tell the truth either. Look how often political polls are wrong. I mean how many predicted that leave would win the Brexit vote?

Without any agreement the company will just railroad the changes they want anyway and if the job is going to get a bad as people are saying then most will leave for pastures new.

The good days are long gone it’s just like any other job now.

[k979aaa]

Well we will deal with it but it will be window dressing the agreement is s**t but it is better than nothing and you can use that agreement where as imposition you are on your own! So I cannot recommend it but will not reject it you all have to think before you vote it is not black and white as some think on here this is tough decision we all will have!

[LouBarlow]

Anybody thinking this will be a majority yes vote is not reading the room!

Forgot the poll on here if you want, ignore it but you just ask your office and it will echo that poll and then some.

It's time to stand up, we are the Union and we'll decide if this is the deal for us.

I am confident in saying it will be voted out.

Asking people in one delivery office is even less scientific than the poll here. You realise there are thousands across the country, with people with different considerations working in them?

If there are 100 in a delivery office it is somewhat representative. Of course only 30 then no.

No, because certain offices are more militant than others. People are guided by the people around them and influenced to vote based on this. You cannot say, ‘well I asked a few people and they all said they are voting no’ and apply that blanket statement to over 100,000 people.

People don’t always tell the truth either. Look how often political polls are wrong. I mean how many predicted that leave would win the Brexit vote?

Without any agreement the company will just railroad the changes they want anyway and if the job is going to get a bad as people are saying then most will leave for pastures new.

The good days are long gone it’s just like any other job now.

Absolutely. The job as we have known it is gone. You either vote for more money and get on with it, or look elsewhere. Things aren’t going back to how they were if we vote no. It is deluded to think otherwise. Might as well vote yes and get a few more quid out of it.

[Nickvilla20]

Anybody thinking this will be a majority yes vote is not reading the room!

Forgot the poll on here if you want, ignore it but you just ask your office and it will echo that poll and then some.

It's time to stand up, we are the Union and we'll decide if this is the deal for us.

I am confident in saying it will be voted out.

Asking people in one delivery office is even less scientific than the poll here. You realise there are thousands across the country, with people with different considerations working in them?

If there are 100 in a delivery office it is somewhat representative. Of course only 30 then no.

No, because certain offices are more militant than others. People are guided by the people around them and influenced to vote based on this. You cannot say, ‘well I asked a few people and they all said they are voting no’ and apply that blanket statement to over 100,000 people.

People don’t always tell the truth either. Look how often political polls are wrong. I mean how many predicted that leave would win the Brexit vote?

Without any agreement the company will just railroad the changes they want anyway and if the job is going to get a bad as people are saying then most will leave for pastures new.

The good days are long gone it’s just like any other job now.

Absolutely. The job as we have known it is gone. You either vote for more money and get on with it, or look elsewhere. Things aren’t going back to how they were if we vote no. It is deluded to think otherwise. Might as well vote yes and get a few more quid out of it.

Look at other countries postal service and see what’s happened with them. The writing was always on the wall sadly.

My wife’s sister in Canada doesn’t even get a post delivery she has to go and collect it at a community post box. Imagine if they bought that in here and the huge job losses it would bring.

I get peoples anger with the deal though we’ve been promised so much by the union and they’ve delivered on none of those promises.

I’ve done 20 years but I just see it as a job now even with the changes the job still suits me and when it doesn’t I will leave.

[arsenalbob]

When is the ballot?

[rambo1]

When is the ballot?

Who knows? Maybe there will be an update Friday LOL. Seriously though, we need to crack on with this now it's a mental strain on some people. Surely you only need a few days to read the deal and make your mind up?

[k979aaa]

Thing is there is no rush this will take a month or so and you can ask questions on here about the agreement or management or the union use all the channels if you want but here is the best place. Will try my best to give you the best answers on the deal and how I see it!

[Weetrogg2]

I will be personally be voting no to this agreement.

I will not sell this to members in my unit as a good deal. I will tell them in my opinion it’s a poor agreement whilst at the same time pointing out that a No vote according to the union leadership could result in administration and potentially mass job losses.

It’s a tough situation we’re in and it’s upto every individual member to vote how their conscience tells them based on the agreement.

[theotherone]

LTB 099/23 – BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH NATIONAL AGREEMENT – MEMBERS MEETINGS AND REQUESTS FOR OFFICERS / POSTAL EXECUTIVE ATTENDANCE
No. 099/23
24th April 2023
Dear Colleagues,
BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH NATIONAL AGREEMENT – MEMBERS MEETINGS AND REQUESTS FOR OFFICERS / POSTAL EXECUTIVE ATTENDANCE
Further to the national briefing held in Bristol last Friday (21 April), Branches and Representatives should note the Postal Executive is due to consider a ballot timetable at a meeting on 26 April 2023.
Once a ballot timetable is agreed there will only be a finite period of time for Branches to complete their own democratic process and hold membership meetings.
The Officers and Postal Executive recognise the importance of assisting Branches where required and are committed to attending as many meetings of members as possible.
To ensure that a coordinated approach is taken Branches should ensure that any requests for Officers or Postal Executive members to attend meetings is made via the Deputy General Secretary (Postal) Department (DGS[P]).
Branches should submit requests to both fkelk@cwu.org and acorbett@cwu.org.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

[dazzler123]

I will be personally be voting no to this agreement.

I will not sell this to members in my unit as a good deal. I will tell them in my opinion it’s a poor agreement whilst at the same time pointing out that a No vote according to the union leadership could result in administration and potentially mass job losses.

It’s a tough situation we’re in and it’s upto every individual member to vote how their conscience tells them based on the agreement.

Even if the threat of administration is a reality, thats not on the workforce

[smartin1982]

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[smartin1982]

What happens after a NO will be what we’re doing in two years time anyway.
If this is accepted there’ll need to be a new one in 2025 and what’s that deal going to look like?
More needs rejecting NOW or were properly screwed.

[denhamhoop]

What happens to the union if the ballot on the agreement comes back as a resounding no? Are they finished? Will Royal Mail just impose even more change with less pay? Btw I think it’s a shocking deal and will be voting NO. £500 with no back pay with these new conditions is a complete an utter insult. Seriously considering withdrawing my union subs after it.

It won’t come back as a no. The vocal minority on here are insignificant compared to the thousands of members who will vote it through.

I'm not so sure. Most of my office are saying no. I phoned an old mate from another office and most are saying no. My brother works at the mail centre and he has only spoken to 3 people out of many that said yes.

Probably a lot like when people are interviewed before an election on how they will vote in public say what a disgrace the Conservatives are blah blah yet when push comes to shove I am 55 and Harold Wilson and Tony Blair are the only non Conservatives to be elected as Prime Minister by the public. Sadly expect the silent majority to vote Yes because they are by and large tired of this dispute and many ingrained in voting what they are told to by the CWU

[ThatsNotPlumb]

If we vote no, the CWU will have to engage seriously with their members about what the biggest concerns are.

Maybe not the big ticket "financial viability" items like pay or later start times. But the rest of the small print horror show.

They then go back and get a better deal. Ball's in RM's court.

They already should know what the biggest concerns & gripes are, they're supposed to be in their negotiating on their members behalf. If they've no clue what their members are ideally looking to get out of a deal & what rough level of compromise they have to play with in each area, then they shouldn't be in there are all.

[needadvice]

I keep wondering if they have a secret ‘back up’ deal which is maybe the original £1500 lump sum.
At the 11th hour RM and CWU come out with a last ditch miracle and offer us that and it’ll probably sway it more than if they offered it originally….

Or maybe it’s wishful thinking.

Exactly my thinking. The current deal is expected to be rejected, with the view of one final small improvement to be conceded, in order to take the sting out of the bad deal. I don't see any other way, other than RM making a small concession to get it over the line and I think the delay in the ballot gives the opportunity to install a "sweetener"