If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

[FilthyBloke]

I keep wondering if they have a secret ‘back up’ deal which is maybe the original £1500 lump sum.
At the 11th hour RM and CWU come out with a last ditch miracle and offer us that and it’ll probably sway it more than if they offered it originally….

Or maybe it’s wishful thinking.

[postieblueshirt]

I keep wondering if they have a secret ‘back up’ deal which is maybe the original £1500 lump sum.
At the 11th hour RM and CWU come out with a last ditch miracle and offer us that and it’ll probably sway it more than if they offered it originally….

Or maybe it’s wishful thinking.

Ah the old bait n switch like hookers do sounds about right for this company.Do all big companies go through this nightmare every year for a payrise it's not just this year every bloody time it drags on total bloody contempt for your workforce.

[scotchy1962]

I fancy that both RM and the CWU knew that when they released the details the majority of the workforce would go into meltdown. What they are hoping for, and the reason you havent heard from them, is that after the initial horror and anger subsides people might start to calm down and start to interact better.
Then will come the great response of propaganda and disinformation in a attempt to get people onside with the agreement.
Lets face it the "Deal" is a pig of a deal because of the sacrifice the workforce made, but as usual when it comes down to it the grunts always get shafted because somebody has to and it aint going to be the bigwigs.
We can all see that within the deal the union has sacrificed things to look after their future, but as we know unless the current laws on strikes are changed they are only delaying the inevitable and RM will continue to weaken their position.
As usual its not the big stuff that is the big issue its the little things hidden in amongst it and worded ambiguously so as RM can and will use it to beat us with, this has to be dealt with and etched in stone so that everybody is clear exactly what it means managers included.
So what if we vote no...... well so what if we do, RM will go bust or will they? Dangerous ground for the company as they would be looked into forensically and i am sure there are a few skeletons. Executive action and enforcement of what they want, well thats up to them as we will continue to push back and with no compliance from us there will be another stalemate.
We all want this over and done with, RM could probably do with it over and done with. The solution is probably a little bit of proper clarity on the things that are vague.
RM and the union dont seem to understand that because of the nature of this dispute nobody trusts anyone anymore and that includes the union.
So get ready for the social media hard sell of this deal and decide for yourself what you want. By the way its a no from me!!

[postslippete]

I keep wondering if they have a secret ‘back up’ deal which is maybe the original £1500 lump sum.
At the 11th hour RM and CWU come out with a last ditch miracle and offer us that and it’ll probably sway it more than if they offered it originally….

Or maybe it’s wishful thinking.

Yes - I believe that there is more money in the pot that they will offer to try and push the deal through, otherwise why give 2 different pay offers??

The company have always said that there's more money on the table and what people don't realise is that Royal Mail still has a strong balance sheet and plenty of assets so it can get access to millions of pounds.

But it will inevitably come at a cost to us in the long run in accepting the changes to our ways of working. That's the bit that the company are not prepared to compromise on.

[LouBarlow]

What happens to the union if the ballot on the agreement comes back as a resounding no? Are they finished? Will Royal Mail just impose even more change with less pay? Btw I think it’s a shocking deal and will be voting NO. £500 with no back pay with these new conditions is a complete an utter insult. Seriously considering withdrawing my union subs after it.

It won’t come back as a no. The vocal minority on here are insignificant compared to the thousands of members who will vote it through.

[Grads75]

If we vote no, the CWU will have to engage seriously with their members about what the biggest concerns are.

Maybe not the big ticket "financial viability" items like pay or later start times. But the rest of the small print horror show.

They then go back and get a better deal. Ball's in RM's court.

Really???? A naive view. I think RM will withdraw the offer and impose as many of the changes as they can. They will say to the CWU " ok call a strike, we'll go into administration and make thousands redundant and shred the current T&Cs" The government don't care about people dying through industrial action in the NHS so they certainly won't worry about undelivered letters and parcels. I watched RM video with the three RM senior managers answering questions about the deal. For the first time there was no boasting, no gloating, no taunting. The body language was subdued and serious.

If thousands go due to administration at least they will leave the company with something if worked at rm for 25 yrs around 12 grand tara

[postiewhite]

What happens to the union if the ballot on the agreement comes back as a resounding no? Are they finished? Will Royal Mail just impose even more change with less pay? Btw I think it’s a shocking deal and will be voting NO. £500 with no back pay with these new conditions is a complete an utter insult. Seriously considering withdrawing my union subs after it.

It won’t come back as a no. The vocal minority on here are insignificant compared to the thousands of members who will vote it through.

I'm not so sure. Most of my office are saying no. I phoned an old mate from another office and most are saying no. My brother works at the mail centre and he has only spoken to 3 people out of many that said yes.

[2yearpostie]

I think that the company will impose the deal anyway minus the £500 and after say a year they could begin imposing further changes, the union would be so weakened that they will be unable to do much about it.

What do No voters expect to happen? say the union leadership resign en masse, do the No voters have a credible plan to take the control of the union themselves and then organise another ballot?

THIS.

[LouBarlow]

What happens to the union if the ballot on the agreement comes back as a resounding no? Are they finished? Will Royal Mail just impose even more change with less pay? Btw I think it’s a shocking deal and will be voting NO. £500 with no back pay with these new conditions is a complete an utter insult. Seriously considering withdrawing my union subs after it.

It won’t come back as a no. The vocal minority on here are insignificant compared to the thousands of members who will vote it through.

I'm not so sure. Most of my office are saying no. I phoned an old mate from another office and most are saying no. My brother works at the mail centre and he has only spoken to 3 people out of many that said yes.

Well, we will see. I don’t think it will be a massive yes vote but I definitely think it will be a majority.

[Tman]

Dead right there. Always been the NO tub-thumpers on here giving it the big 'uns about smash and burn and all the other nonsense on every deal over the years but they seem to melt away like the Spring snow when it comes to ballot time.
Harsh reality bites, and all that.

[twoloops]

I'm in our office WhatsApp group our rep as just left the group after being battered while trying to sell us the deal

The vote will be a big fat NO

I expect his resignation is I the post

[thefox]

What happens to the union if the ballot on the agreement comes back as a resounding no? Are they finished? Will Royal Mail just impose even more change with less pay? Btw I think it’s a shocking deal and will be voting NO. £500 with no back pay with these new conditions is a complete an utter insult. Seriously considering withdrawing my union subs after it.

It won’t come back as a no. The vocal minority on here are insignificant compared to the thousands of members who will vote it through.

I'm not so sure. Most of my office are saying no. I phoned an old mate from another office and most are saying no. My brother works at the mail centre and he has only spoken to 3 people out of many that said yes.

Well, we will see. I don’t think it will be a massive yes vote but I definitely think it will be a majority.

I think its gonna be really close,could swing either way if they had given us the 1500 lump sum then that would have got it through easier.

[sixfoottwo]

Anybody thinking this will be a majority yes vote is not reading the room!

Forgot the poll on here if you want, ignore it but you just ask your office and it will echo that poll and then some.

It's time to stand up, we are the Union and we'll decide if this is the deal for us.

I am confident in saying it will be voted out.

[LouBarlow]

Anybody thinking this will be a majority yes vote is not reading the room!

Forgot the poll on here if you want, ignore it but you just ask your office and it will echo that poll and then some.

It's time to stand up, we are the Union and we'll decide if this is the deal for us.

I am confident in saying it will be voted out.

Asking people in one delivery office is even less scientific than the poll here. You realise there are thousands across the country, with people with different considerations working in them?

[miles_peters]

1. 2% is not enough
2. CWU are trying to pile even more work on to us with their plans
3. PDA performance management opens the door to bullying and conflicts
4. Sick pay reduction when now we are expected to work for longer and in more hazardous conditions. People with genuine sickness and injuries will be terrified to take time off because of the loss of pay and repercussions
3. Later starts means a huge amount of good workers will leave
4. The agreement will not stop the deliberate destruction of letter delivery
5. Only a 2 year agreement is a massive concern after everyone has seen the plans at the beginning of this dispute of what RM really want the business to be like

I don't feel protected with this agreement long term, I feel I will be battling to keep my job every single day under a cloud of whatever i do however hard i work its never going to be enough.