The Recent Strikes at Amazon have show that even those at the bottom of the Amazon Shite Pile are not happy
Perhaps ST should stop using them as a shining example of how we should be doing the job.
Never mind there's hardly any mail nowadays .... all those bloody letters, magazines, catalogues & brochures in my frame must be a mirage! And don't you even go there with your dropping figures in the Mail Centre SP!
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
Let's let it burn lads if we stick together as one against the tyranny and we will win this war
I would let it burn
Good tactic. Well thought through and put forward with good reasoned argument. I'm can't understand why the CWU negotiators didn't use it during negotiations. If it failed they could try baseball bat's.
The irony being that's the exact argument RM have used against the union to force their hand.
They purposely spent away hundreds of millions, and now threaten administration which lets be honest is fairytale stuff, Simon Thompson at the shareholder meeting last year said the business was robust and had a good future.
Is it fairytale stuff? The CWU would not have endorsed this deal if they thought RM was bluffing. Can you imagine the outcry if CWU recommended no and RM did go into administration. RM are asset rich but cash poor. If they have no liquidity then they cannot pay day to day running costs. At the moment they can borrow money on the market but if the dispute escalates the banks would cut off that supply because there is no gurantee the business won't go into administration and the profitable bits sold off. Then RM would default on their loans. The money markets won't take that risk. Don't read my post wrong. I think RM have behaved appallingly and if I didn't think any of what I said is true I would vote no. RM have outmanouvered the CWU at every turn. The CWU need to regroup, change tactics ( and leadership if necessary) and plan a new strategy for when RM come back for more. A good start would be to for CWU to start a strike fund by a small increase in everybody's subs. Another is to use a better legal company so that they understand fully all the legal situations in what they can and cannot do. Lastly they need to work out how they can pull out key elements of the business without falling foul of the law.
The CWU got the biggest vote in union history, but managed to negotiate a surrender document for the membership.
The CWU have endorsed the best deal it can get because RM have made clear it's financial position. The CWU have seen the books. RM are asset rich but cash poor. If the CWU endorsed a no vote and RM went into administration with the loss of thousands of jobs there would be fury among the membership. If you think that RM and the CWU have colluded in this agreement to "stitch up the workforce" then nothing will convince you to change your mind.
The Recent Strikes at Amazon have show that even those at the bottom of the Amazon Shite Pile are not happy
Perhaps ST should stop using them as a shining example of how we should be doing the job.
Never mind there's hardly any mail nowadays .... all those bloody letters, magazines, catalogues & brochures in my frame must be a mirage! And don't you even go there with your dropping figures in the Mail Centre SP!
We've seen a big drop-off some days, Mondays have dropped by half. Manual letters and flats are just dead, any staff who aren't on them for medical reasons are being sent over to packets and Tracked.
It's not unusual now to have a couple of times a night where small Tracked and small packets completely run out of work
It’s a s**t deal I think that much we are all agreed on, but even this s**t deal amazingly means we still have the best terms and conditions in the industry, Evri, yodel, dhl,whistl are all a country mile worse than Royal Mail, and strangely enough none of those companies have a recognised union presence, as crap as the union seems to be to some it’s still doing it’s job for us
What industry? We have no competitors.
Also, "other people have it worse" is the most stupid argument. Race to the bottom bollocks.
well if we don't have any competitors how come there is a forum on this very site entitled competitors
COMPETITORS NEWS
Competitors and other mail organisations around the world news and discussion.This is an open forum.
also before you jump in with two feet, i certainly didn't use the term "other people have it worse " i said other companies have worse t &cs and was making a point about how important it is to have a union presence in the workplace, never mentioned the so called race to the bottom bollocks
How will a no deal put the company into administration?
A no deal will see the company likely force through change via EA and will force through any payrise if any.
The company could get through changes (less likely sick PAY changes and seasonal hours) and save by not giving a payrise.
How will a no deal put the company into administration?
A no deal will see the company likely force through change via EA and will force through any payrise if any.
The company could get through changes (less likely sick PAY changes and seasonal hours) and save by not giving a payrise.
its a private company, they could bring in anything they wanted.
How well this would work out for them is an entirely different question
People can’t seem to be able to comprehend that a trade unions primary concern, nay only concern, is to not have its membership endure compulsory redundancy.
That is it.
Pay, conditions, everything else is negotiable. A bonus, if you like, as distasteful as that is in todays supposedly forward thinking society.
But that is it.
And that means that every round of negotiations is a success when that is off the table.
WTF are you on, the whole Union movement was created to get better T&C and pay for its members!
The Recent Strikes at Amazon have show that even those at the bottom of the Amazon Shite Pile are not happy
Perhaps ST should stop using them as a shining example of how we should be doing the job.
Never mind there's hardly any mail nowadays .... all those bloody letters, magazines, catalogues & brochures in my frame must be a mirage! And don't you even go there with your dropping figures in the Mail Centre SP!
We've seen a big drop-off some days, Mondays have dropped by half. Manual letters and flats are just dead, any staff who aren't on them for medical reasons are being sent over to packets and Tracked.
It's not unusual now to have a couple of times a night where small Tracked and small packets completely run out of work
Well if that is true, you must work in a backwoods somewhere. Where I live and work (not just my work office) mail still has almost week long backlogs. As a customer I am lucky to get one delivery a week. We have agency staff concentrating on packets 4 out of five days, and most frames have mail left in all week. As for Tracked packets I am awaiting one at this very moment that should have been delivered 3 days ago, but has been stuck at the local mail centre since it got there just one day after being sent.
All this tells me there is no shortage of work, just workers, which was invoked by royal mail not recruiting for two years, in the belief that they could boost profits with less staff.
The Recent Strikes at Amazon have show that even those at the bottom of the Amazon Shite Pile are not happy
Perhaps ST should stop using them as a shining example of how we should be doing the job.
Never mind there's hardly any mail nowadays .... all those bloody letters, magazines, catalogues & brochures in my frame must be a mirage! And don't you even go there with your dropping figures in the Mail Centre SP!
We've seen a big drop-off some days, Mondays have dropped by half. Manual letters and flats are just dead, any staff who aren't on them for medical reasons are being sent over to packets and Tracked.
It's not unusual now to have a couple of times a night where small Tracked and small packets completely run out of work
Well if that is true, you must work in a backwoods somewhere. Where I live and work (not just my work office) mail still has almost week long backlogs. As a customer I am lucky to get one delivery a week. We have agency staff concentrating on packets 4 out of five days, and most frames have mail left in all week. As for Tracked packets I am awaiting one at this very moment that should have been delivered 3 days ago, but has been stuck at the local mail centre since it got there just one day after being sent.
All this tells me there is no shortage of work, just workers, which was invoked by royal mail not recruiting for two years, in the belief that they could boost profits with less staff.
We're one of the smaller MCs, unless there's a problem like a artic running late or an artic that's not been advised (the managers can look up what artics we've got coming in and how many yorks are on them), everything goes out on time. We probably have around half a dozen casuals a night. Unless we get instructions from higher up the food chain, everything goes out to the DOs the night that it arrives, it has to as we've got very limited storage space.
We took on about a half dozen casuals on temp contracts a couple of years ago but they have effectively just replaced those who've retired.
I've seen once a rare occurrence where by address an item is proper to one office but they have an agreement with another office to deliver it. We just sent the item to the office that it was proper to by address. iirc it got bounced between that office and us before we killed it off and returned it to sender.
How large is the Tracked item that you're waiting for? If it's small enough it might have found its way into the large letters, we do sometimes extract Tracked from the large letters, sometimes from the iLSM
People can’t seem to be able to comprehend that a trade unions primary concern, nay only concern, is to not have its membership endure compulsory redundancy.
That is it.
Pay, conditions, everything else is negotiable. A bonus, if you like, as distasteful as that is in todays supposedly forward thinking society.
But that is it.
And that means that every round of negotiations is a success when that is off the table.
WTF are you on, the whole Union movement was created to get better T&C and pay for its members!
And ensure health and safety
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
lads if we stick together as one against the tyranny and we will win this war
lads if we stick together as one against the tyranny and we will win this war