This deal is a pay cut

[Slim2none]

If you read between the lines, I think you'll find that "commit to deliver" has been re-branded as 30 min flexibility or some such sh*te. Maybe not straight away but come 2025 at the latest those 30min won't be voluntary if you haven't completed!

And just to be clear. There is absolutely ZERO option of an above inflation pay rise and they are still going to reduce the workforce!

You are very trusting of people whom are known to be less than honorable when it comes to keeping their word.

[stevejm]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

Why are mentioning an above inflation pay rise ?

I have not asked for a above inflation pay rise and I am not aware of anybody else asking for that .

Precisely.
Personally a more generous but STILL BELOW inflation payrise would be fine as far as the money side goes.
2022 - another 4 % on top of the two percent already to make 6% - that is still 4% below inflation
2023 - 6% as agreed - which will probably end up being 2-4% below inflation.
2024 - I'd rather wait until closer the time but if it must be fixed now then 5% would be fine.

So instead of 10% with bonus we'd get 17% without bonus. Still below inflation but more generous than now.

[77SAMPOST77]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

Why are mentioning an above inflation pay rise ?

I have not asked for a above inflation pay rise and I am not aware of anybody else asking for that .

Precisely.
Personally a more generous but STILL BELOW inflation payrise would be fine as far as the money side goes.
2022 - another 4 % on top of the two percent already to make 6% - that is still 4% below inflation
2023 - 6% as agreed - which will probably end up being 2-4% below inflation.
2024 - I'd rather wait until closer the time but if it must be fixed now then 5% would be fine.

So instead of 10% with bonus we'd get 17% without bonus. Still below inflation but more generous than now.

Yes that is fine with me but I would like it backdated .

[yellowbelly]

to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs.

Don’t you mean “the rest of US to have it added to OUR (already to large) jobs”?

2year stated a while ago that they were a PIC so you can make up your own mind which
side of the fence they're on.......

[k979aaa]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

[milly]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

[k979aaa]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

[milly]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government? .

[k979aaa]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government .

Inflation is not just the cost of goods but providing transporting and serving those goods we will never get parity on this but thing is the government lost control of the economy and that is their job and they failed!

[milly]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government .

Inflation is not just the cost of goods but providing transporting and serving those goods we will never get parity on this but thing is the government lost control of the economy and that is their job and they failed!

I'm afraid the public are culpable as they all want "free stuff" most people wanted the Government to waste Billions of pounds on Covid and to find accommodation for anyone that turns up on one of our beaches and also send Billions to Ukraine and sanction the 2nd biggest energy producer in the World.
I wonder if any of these events caused the inflation .
I take it you would take control of the economy with some austerity!

[k979aaa]

Don't need too the conservatives have done that abley abided by ROYAL MAIL!

[LouBarlow]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government .

Inflation is not just the cost of goods but providing transporting and serving those goods we will never get parity on this but thing is the government lost control of the economy and that is their job and they failed!

I'm afraid the public are culpable as they all want "free stuff" most people wanted the Government to waste Billions of pounds on Covid and to find accommodation for anyone that turns up on one of our beaches and also send Billions to Ukraine and sanction the 2nd biggest energy producer in the World.
I wonder if any of these events caused the inflation .
I take it you would take control of the economy with some austerity!

It has been a while since you blamed immigrants or asylum seekers for the problems in this country. Why not mention Brexit instead? The number one factor that has f****d this country for generations to come.

[milly]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government .

Inflation is not just the cost of goods but providing transporting and serving those goods we will never get parity on this but thing is the government lost control of the economy and that is their job and they failed!

I'm afraid the public are culpable as they all want "free stuff" most people wanted the Government to waste Billions of pounds on Covid and to find accommodation for anyone that turns up on one of our beaches and also send Billions to Ukraine and sanction the 2nd biggest energy producer in the World.
I wonder if any of these events caused the inflation .
I take it you would take control of the economy with some austerity!

It has been a while since you blamed immigrants or asylum seekers for the problems in this country. Why not mention Brexit instead? The number one factor that has f****d this country for generations to come.

I'm not blaming immigrants, as usual you try and misrepresent what I am saying.
We don't have the money to house these people or pay for their welfare, the money is borrowed into existence because we don't take enough tax in to pay for them, this is inflationary.
Not sure what Brexit has to do with anything many EU Countries have worse inflation than the UK.
Tell me Lou where do we get the money from to pay for all of these extra people?
Deficit spending saddles future generations with debt but you don't care about that so long as you can virtue signal.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

Why are mentioning an above inflation pay rise ?

I have not asked for a above inflation pay rise and I am not aware of anybody else asking for that .

Precisely.
Personally a more generous but STILL BELOW inflation payrise would be fine as far as the money side goes.
2022 - another 4 % on top of the two percent already to make 6% - that is still 4% below inflation
2023 - 6% as agreed - which will probably end up being 2-4% below inflation.
2024 - I'd rather wait until closer the time but if it must be fixed now then 5% would be fine.

So instead of 10% with bonus we'd get 17% without bonus. Still below inflation but more generous than now.

Of course this would be ideal and more appealing for people.
We have to be realistic though.
Taking the company's financial perils into account getting 6% payrise is an achievement from the union.
Do you really think a private company haemorrhaging money would be given any pay rise.
It's because we have a strong union we are getting rewarded.
As painful as it is most firms and businesses are not giving inflation based pay rises.
Even self employed tradesman and local businesses profits margins have shrunk.
They can't raise their prices too much as they need to stay competitive.
The company stupidly gave away millions during COVID when they knew that productivity before the pandemic was poor and work was declining.
We should have been rewarded more off the back of that granted.
Truth is now, that is all they can afford now.
If it weren't for the union we may have got zero rise this year.

[mjd24]

It is not a pay cut but a cost of living cut this whole thing could be solved by RM taking a pragmatic approach of using the war chest of investments and use a small part to give us 12% over two years with the bigger part up front ie 8% now and 4% next year. We still be short but do know that times are hard for all. Inflation is a benchmark of a basket of goods and consumables like fuel and gas and services and if as was the case it reached 11% in September last year 2022 but before that around April was 6%. The imposed pay was not reflective of the true cost of living at the time but some never get a pay rise but a good start would be a better deal than the one on the table!

I'm sorry to break it to you but inflation is far higher as the Government has fiddled the inflation figures for decades.
Anytime something in the basket of goods becomes expensive they replace them with something cheaper.
Food inflation is easily up 40% in the last year.
Inflation will be around for a long time as it is a deliberate Government policy to inflate away the National Debt.
The UK population are in for a massive drop in living standards in the next few years.

Get me the facts and I will look at them I can get the facts for all my posts on here so please give some facts on here milly.

You haven't noticed items that used to be 99p now cost £1.40 or higher, I believe the prices I'm charged at the checkout not the bogus inflation figures the Government agencies produce.
Do you get your "facts" from the Government .

Inflation is not just the cost of goods but providing transporting and serving those goods we will never get parity on this but thing is the government lost control of the economy and that is their job and they failed!

I'm afraid the public are culpable as they all want "free stuff" most people wanted the Government to waste Billions of pounds on Covid and to find accommodation for anyone that turns up on one of our beaches and also send Billions to Ukraine and sanction the 2nd biggest energy producer in the World.
I wonder if any of these events caused the inflation .
I take it you would take control of the economy with some austerity!

It has been a while since you blamed immigrants or asylum seekers for the problems in this country. Why not mention Brexit instead? The number one factor that has f****d this country for generations to come.

I'm not blaming immigrants, as usual you try and misrepresent what I am saying.
We don't have the money to house these people or pay for their welfare, the money is borrowed into existence because we don't take enough tax in to pay for them, this is inflationary.
Not sure what Brexit has to do with anything many EU Countries have worse inflation than the UK.
Tell me Lou where do we get the money from to pay for all of these extra people?
Deficit spending saddles future generations with debt but you don't care about that so long as you can virtue signal.

Do you really think asylum seekers or “illegal immigrants” are the biggest problem or cost facing our country? Also perhaps if we let more of them settle here and get jobs they could contribute to our society and tax system.

Its so easy to keep blaming the “migrants”, and people who do are so obviously brain washed into these views by the Daily Mail, Express etc