This deal is a pay cut

[milly]

Governments can't allow deflation as it makes debt more difficult to pay down.

[LouBarlow]

So when inflation comes down, your wage goes down in turn?

Erm, no. When inflation goes down you can accept smaller pay rises.

Say you accepted 10% and inflation was 10%. If in the following year inflation falls to 3% you still need an additional 3% over and above the 10% you had last year in order to keep pace.

You're confusing a decrease in inflation with an actual fall in prices.

I know what inflation is but the point being made was implying that wages have to increase in line with inflation for them to be a rise. That isn’t true at all.

Either way I’ll be voting for the deal that offers me more money by way of a pay cut.

No, you really don’t.

As your initial comments completely contradicted itself.

Thus you not knowing what inflation means.

Is this deal going to lead to a pay cut? No. You are getting a raise.

Inflation plays no part in whether this is an increase in pay or not. If you receive more money from your employer you cannot claim it is a pay cut.

My original point stands. If inflation decreased and bills likewise, you wouldn’t suddenly hand money back after your inflation busting raise.

for prices to drop, we’d need negative inflation which pretty much never happens.

Even if inflation drops to 1%, prices are still rising!!

I think it will still depend for items you buy at the supermarkets etc. My trusting nature would like to believe that once energy prices normalise supermarkets might pass on the savings to the consumer.

[milly]

So when inflation comes down, your wage goes down in turn?

Erm, no. When inflation goes down you can accept smaller pay rises.

Say you accepted 10% and inflation was 10%. If in the following year inflation falls to 3% you still need an additional 3% over and above the 10% you had last year in order to keep pace.

You're confusing a decrease in inflation with an actual fall in prices.

I know what inflation is but the point being made was implying that wages have to increase in line with inflation for them to be a rise. That isn’t true at all.

Either way I’ll be voting for the deal that offers me more money by way of a pay cut.

No, you really don’t.

As your initial comments completely contradicted itself.

Thus you not knowing what inflation means.

Is this deal going to lead to a pay cut? No. You are getting a raise.

Inflation plays no part in whether this is an increase in pay or not. If you receive more money from your employer you cannot claim it is a pay cut.

My original point stands. If inflation decreased and bills likewise, you wouldn’t suddenly hand money back after your inflation busting raise.

for prices to drop, we’d need negative inflation which pretty much never happens.

Even if inflation drops to 1%, prices are still rising!!

I think it will still depend for items you buy at the supermarkets etc. My trusting nature would like to believe that once energy prices normalise supermarkets might pass on the savings to the consumer.

Unless we end sanctions then no.

[Valentina@1]

Thompson and rest would love 115000 Lou’s,I’ve seen it all now

[2yearpostie]

No sweetie, it would have been a pay cut if they had said we want to take your wages from £13.39 p/h down to £10.09 p/h over 3 years instead of up to the £14 something on offer.

Your just a noise up. Dxxxhead.

Hi honey! you dont even work at RM anymore so why your concerned enough to be posting on a postie site at midnight is just frankly a bit wierd.

[2yearpostie]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

[77SAMPOST77]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

[stevejm]

No sweetie, it would have been a pay cut if they had said we want to take your wages from £13.39 p/h down to £10.09 p/h over 3 years instead of up to the £14 something on offer.

Do you know how inflation works?

Inflation has nothing to do with it. They are offering more money. That isn’t a pay cut.

You are being obtuse - it's a REAL TERMS paycut. REAL TERMS reflect reality. We should all be interested in reality. We are all going to be manifestly poorer for three years in a row. That is the reality. But never mind Lou, you can console yourself that you have had a payrise.

[pinstripe]

to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs.

Don’t you mean “the rest of US to have it added to OUR (already to large) jobs”?

[2yearpostie]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

[77SAMPOST77]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

[2yearpostie]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

[VeteranBitterPostie]

No sweetie, it would have been a pay cut if they had said we want to take your wages from £13.39 p/h down to £10.09 p/h over 3 years instead of up to the £14 something on offer.

I honestly thought this was a troll post at first, then realised they were serious.

[77SAMPOST77]

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

Why are mentioning an above inflation pay rise ?

I have not asked for a above inflation pay rise and I am not aware of anybody else asking for that .

[LouBarlow]

No sweetie, it would have been a pay cut if they had said we want to take your wages from £13.39 p/h down to £10.09 p/h over 3 years instead of up to the £14 something on offer.

Do you know how inflation works?

Inflation has nothing to do with it. They are offering more money. That isn’t a pay cut.

You are being obtuse - it's a REAL TERMS paycut. REAL TERMS reflect reality. We should all be interested in reality. We are all going to be manifestly poorer for three years in a row. That is the reality. But never mind Lou, you can console yourself that you have had a payrise.

Well it beats not having one, that is for sure. I’m not sure where people are expecting the money to come from to fund a true inflation busting wage increase. As mentioned, cull the workforce to pay for it? We have had to agree to these concessions already, just to get what we have been offered, so I consider myself lucky.

Well I suppose the alternative is a 16% rise but a 25% cull of posties to pay for it and the rest of you to have it added to your (already to large) jobs. Fancy that instead?

How large they make the workload is irrellevent ,

Any sensible worker will turn up on time , work at there own pace , take there breaks and finish on time .

Bring back anything that is left .

Any issues involving workload is a managers problem , that is what they get paid for .

No not really, they would have to reduce the workforce size to be able to pay above inflation rises, but as they also have a legal obligation to deliver the uso theyd also have to bring back commit to deliver as well.

You can commit to deliver if you want ,

But I will be starting on time and finishing on time .

Thats the thing.

IF you wanted an above inflation payrise to pay for it they would have to reduce the workforce, then YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FINISH TIME as to comply with the USO they would have to bring in commit to deliver, Thats why the union have tabled the agreement on the table.

Why are mentioning an above inflation pay rise ?

I have not asked for a above inflation pay rise and I am not aware of anybody else asking for that .

I mean, the title of the thread is literally making that point, albeit in a misleading way, because we have received a rise.