CWU London Division

[mmalecki88]

Management received 6% and 1000£ without any strings as I remember only for last year. This year probably they will get another pay rise.
I will vote NO

[datasaint]

London weighting was to be merged into one payment , but instead gets a 10% up lift. But you haven't listed that !...
I wonder why??? Given the financial predicament stated was that money actually a necessary requirement at the cost to other members????

Can you elaborate on that?

So the London weighting payment goes up 10% and they get the 10% pay deal as well?

[redlen]

This is why the PEC Are a joke, stuffed full of NEC members giving SW19 a rubber stamp job.

Cronyism at its worst and corrupt now they have been bought off.

Nothing More than a cabal

[needadvice]

Love the fact that there will be a few weeks of brainwashing discussions, until the actual vote. That's says it all

[Hyrrokkin]

Pathetic post POSTMAN

Under the guise of being sensible and pragmatic and seeing the 'big' picture - condescending rubbish

The "aww well schucks defence" - RM have screwed you over with EA,spend 100's millions down the toilet,screwed over customers and abused the USO,whittled down your t&c even more with the CWU's help and blessing
But hey ho be grateful for what you have left let us be pragmatic and accept being shafted yet again...because you know shrug what else can we do.

This is not the end by any means...RM will do what they have always done - come back for more and the CWU will bluster and shout then bend over like they have always done.

The time will come when we have no t&c left to fight over

Disgraceful post

[POP2022]

If the company is in such a mess then the people at the top of the company and union need sacking. Also why not remove the Saturday letter delivery, this would save a fortune, let people go on good redundancy terms that want to leave and allow more for a pay rise. Or have a three day letter delivery, alternating each day and again let the people who want to leave go. This would cut costs massively, allowing for a better pay deal and voluntary redundancy. Although the union would lose lots of members, however after I’ve voted no for this shocking deal I’ll be leaving the union until the top brass are replaced.

Problem there is they changed the VR to max 30 weeks if you have 25 years service and if you alternate delivery day by day your kissing your own ass out the door ie 50% staff reduction. Well get your subs stopped or we are all f****d with that attitude!

You wouldn’t have a 50% reduction, if you were delivering every other day then your call rate would be very high, therefore the rounds would need to be a lot smaller, in addition you would still require Special delivery, T24 delivering every day and boxes emptying, could also allow for a reduction to a 35 hour week. I think you would end up reducing the workforce by 20-30%. A huge saving and would allow for better redundancy terms. It wouldn’t need to be done immediately and a lot could be achieved by natural wastage.

I’ve told you when I will stop my subs and when I will start again. My idea is better than the unions and they’ve had a year of taking the mick out of us

I’ve done 20 years and would accept redundancy as would a lot of my colleagues.

[Martin Walsh]

London pay ranges go up in line the 6% from April and 2% next year and get the £500. There is no additional 10%, it is the same offer for all CWU grades apart Fleet.

[k979aaa]

If the company is in such a mess then the people at the top of the company and union need sacking. Also why not remove the Saturday letter delivery, this would save a fortune, let people go on good redundancy terms that want to leave and allow more for a pay rise. Or have a three day letter delivery, alternating each day and again let the people who want to leave go. This would cut costs massively, allowing for a better pay deal and voluntary redundancy. Although the union would lose lots of members, however after I’ve voted no for this shocking deal I’ll be leaving the union until the top brass are replaced.

Problem there is they changed the VR to max 30 weeks if you have 25 years service and if you alternate delivery day by day your kissing your own ass out the door ie 50% staff reduction. Well get your subs stopped or we are all f****d with that attitude!

You wouldn’t have a 50% reduction, if you were delivering every other day then your call rate would be very high, therefore the rounds would need to be a lot smaller, in addition you would still require Special delivery, T24 delivering every day and boxes emptying, could also allow for a reduction to a 35 hour week. I think you would end up reducing the workforce by 20-30%. A huge saving and would allow for better redundancy terms. It wouldn’t need to be done immediately and a lot could be achieved by natural wastage.

I’ve told you when I will stop my subs and when I will start again. My idea is better than the unions and they’ve had a year of taking the mick out of us

I’ve done 20 years and would accept redundancy as would a lot of my colleagues.

And what would you and I gain from this in terms money conditions ect?

[k979aaa]

London pay ranges go up in line the 6% from April and 2% next year and get the £500. There is no additional 10%, it is the same offer for all CWU grades apart Fleet.

One question if you get this over the line is this 100% legally binding till April 2025?

[hans solo]

I nearly pished myself laughing

[POP2022]

1. A reduction to 35 hours
2. A substantial pay rise due to a massive reduction in costs
3. No compulsory redundancy as the companies long term business plan would be solid, the company is understaffed at the moment due to people leaving.
4. Better sick pay policy as the companies finances would be better.
5. More structured delivery, we have areas that are only getting 1 delivery a week at the moment. Businesses could have a delivery Monday - Friday if required.
6. Less costs and environmental impact as less vans required and less miles covered each day. I sometimes delivery around 300 letters and 20/30 parcels over 6 hours and drive 60-70 miles.
7. Less pressure on managers and staff.

What else do you want?

[Martin Walsh]

No the legal guarantees served a purpose immediately after we were privatised but as the company proved last year if it was really intent on ripping up our agreements and forcing change in our workplace they would just serve notice on legal guarantees by saying they were loss making.

No the way forward with this agreement is that the company cannot survive without both parties working together and improving the culture in the workplace.

ACAS will over sea the agreement bur there has to be change in Royal Mails position.

[needadvice]

London pay ranges go up in line the 6% from April and 2% next year and get the £500. There is no additional 10%, it is the same offer for all CWU grades apart Fleet.

One question if you get this over the line is this 100% legally binding till April 2025?

You don't need to know the answer, since the deal is a non starter

[k979aaa]

No the legal guarantees served a purpose immediately after we were privatised but as the company proved last year if it was really intent on ripping up our agreements and forcing change in our workplace they would just serve notice on legal guarantees by saying they were loss making.

No the way forward with this agreement is that the company cannot survive without both parties working together and improving the culture in the workplace.

ACAS will over sea the agreement bur there has to be change in Royal Mails position.

So is 100% or not but having said that I am more pragmatic than most on here they want to lynch me of saying the truth I know how you feel but we do need answers. If you can get those answers for us all it will make a big difference for us all anyway thanks for the post but please keep us updated now your not on NDA!

[redlen]

No the legal guarantees served a purpose immediately after we were privatised but as the company proved last year if it was really intent on ripping up our agreements and forcing change in our workplace they would just serve notice on legal guarantees by saying they were loss making.

No the way forward with this agreement is that the company cannot survive without both parties working together and improving the culture in the workplace.

ACAS will over sea the agreement bur there has to be change in Royal Mails position.

The reality is that the CWU tore up the legal undertakings guarantee (No strike agreement) by balloting with the pay dispute allowing Royal Mail to then go nuclear with terms and conditions.