Summary of the proposed agreement

[k979aaa]

Well seen plenty of crap deals with the CWU and RM we can only but judge what if before us all. AND IF NO INFO NO DEAL WE NEED THE WHOLE TEXT OF THIS AGRREMENT!

[cheerful]

I don't understand why they want later start times AND they are saying we'll absolutely finish by 4:30pm.

They don't pay us an early morning supplement, so they won't be saving money by bringing us in later.

And if the 4:30pm finish is to be believed, then most people with jobs will be out of the house whether we're delivering at noon or 4:30pm.

The only benefit I can see for a later finish is if we're still working in the evening, more people will be home, giving signed / parcel deliveries a higher success rate, but that won't apply at 4:30pm.

I can't see why RM would push so hard for a later finish time, unless they are intending for 4:30pm finishes to be a stepping stone, then in a year they can push start times 'just another 90 minutes later' so we can deliver in the evening.

Purely from a business perspective, I can see them wanting posties working in the evening (especially parcel drivers), but I can also see working past school finishing time being a red line that many posties would vote to strike over, so absolutely not worth Simon pushing for it unless he has an end-game for it.

[aiden01]

The Union should negotiate a deal for Union members ONLY, the strike breakers and non-union members should have whatever RM gives them.

Wtf.?,

[aiden01]

The best way is to get these poor people on the contracts we have if not the end game is us all being on these contracts by imposition ie turn up one day here your doing this and that!

Is this the same contracts that fulltime ex phgs get £20 more a week than a opg doing same work.... who do i complain to cwu???

[aiden01]

Seems a lot of people on here are desperately trying to find problems with everything about the 'deal' without really thinking objectively about it all.

I don’t think anyone is “desperately” trying to find problems. It’s a crap deal, both options on the pay rise are well below what should be acceptable, the ‘strings’ are unacceptable and the simple fact that RM have shown time and time again that too much is never enough for them. They’ll be back before the ink is dry for everything they didn’t get.

Of course they will happens every time but if pec recommend any deal its usually voted in. An please don't blame mc staff if it does as delivery have 3 times more staff at least..

[aiden01]

Well seen plenty of crap deals with the CWU and RM we can only but judge what if before us all. AND IF NO INFO NO DEAL WE NEED THE WHOLE TEXT OF THIS AGRREMENT!

The whole text of every agreement is spelt out JUST VERY FEW EVER READ IT DO YOU ALWAYS READ IT LINE BY LINE???

[pinstripe]

The best way is to get these poor people on the contracts we have if not the end game is us all being on these contracts by imposition ie turn up one day here your doing this and that!

Is this the same contracts that fulltime ex phgs get £20 more a week than a opg doing same work.... who do i complain to cwu???

Yes the same contract that RM wanted to change many years ago. They got rid of the role, but NEGOTIATED an agreement whereby the holders of this role agreed to the changes in exchange for keeping the allowance

[kazardaimenu]

It has gone from 2-3 hour later starts with 5pm last letter to 1hr later with 4.30pm last letter. How’s that work? Plus all this flexi half hour sounds like a scam people have places to be on occasion.

[clashcityrocker]

The whole text of every agreement is spelt out JUST VERY FEW EVER READ IT DO YOU ALWAYS READ IT LINE BY LINE???

Did Ward say the whole draft agreement runs to 30 pages?
The BT2010 was a weighty document. I think we had 2 copies in our DO for everyone to read before the vote, despite assurances everyone was going to be given a copy.

Then there is reading and understanding.

[SpacePhoenix]

The whole text of every agreement is spelt out JUST VERY FEW EVER READ IT DO YOU ALWAYS READ IT LINE BY LINE???

Did Ward say the whole draft agreement runs to 30 pages?
The BT2010 was a weighty document. I think we had 2 copies in our DO for everyone to read before the vote, despite assurances everyone was going to be given a copy.

Then there is reading and understanding.

At the CWU, any chance of getting a complete copy of the whole draft agreement put up on the CWU website?

[theelegend701]

Option B for me job has gone downhill mayaswell get something no long term future at RM

[roman]

There was a 3.5% and a £500 for successful Revision that would have been payable from April 2022 without the CWU... And that probably would have been for 1 year and if I recall, another 1.5% for 2023/2024.

The CWU have only moved Royal Mail a little bit, save for securing Allowances (for a few) and what else?

Thanks to the CWU for nothing!

[roman]

Don’t forget minus strike money !

[roman]

Don’t forget minus strike money !

[walthmstowman]

how bowt that lovely last paragraph about performance and data use, when they just swore before the comittee they dont use it for measuring performance

My thoughts exactly . Yet more lies from management .