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[Linden14]

It's simple now we all need more money

[chickenwittle]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Oh look , mr I’m alright jack is back onboard.

[Sbutts8182]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Oh look , mr I’m alright jack is back onboard.

Good morning. And yes. I’m in it for myself. Just like the many union members in here who have stated they would rather see the company burn than get a bad deal.

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

Then I’ll either get a new job or have a contract that’s not as good as the one before. Like I keep saying if that new contract or job role becomes so bad I’ll get another job. I’m not stressing over what may be.

[smok3y666]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Getting his suspended mates back into work and not facing dismissal.

[heraldmoth]

And how do you keep track of annualised hours? Trust management when they say “right u owe me 50 hours over the next 2 months” or go back to the dry lunch of a union and complain?

It will all be written down on scrap paper and records kept on the people’s app (which has currently been offline for a week)

Oh is that the same people app that has the results of the recent have your say survey, despite nobody in my unit recalling filling it in??

[pieoftheday]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

I think so. Also a lot of new starters that probably won’t intend on staying longer than a year or two (like a lot of new starters now TBF) will probably be less inclined to join the union.
I personally think in 5 years or so we will be a minimum wage company with a high turnover of staff and a smaller proportion of that staff will be CWU members.

[LouBarlow]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

I think so. Also a lot of new starters that probably won’t intend on staying longer than a year or two (like a lot of new starters now TBF) will probably be less inclined to join the union.
I personally think in 5 years or so we will be a minimum wage company with a high turnover of staff and a smaller proportion of that staff will be CWU members.

That is exactly why the CWU will not allow a vote on any deal that involves new starters having less benefits. It would lead to their eventual demise. Both sides have an agenda here and we are stuck in the middle.

[chickenwittle]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

I think so. Also a lot of new starters that probably won’t intend on staying longer than a year or two (like a lot of new starters now TBF) will probably be less inclined to join the union.
I personally think in 5 years or so we will be a minimum wage company with a high turnover of staff and a smaller proportion of that staff will be CWU members.

That is exactly why the CWU will not allow a vote on any deal that involves new starters having less benefits. It would lead to their eventual demise. Both sides have an agenda here and we are stuck in the middle.

Are the union not right to protect future employees of the company? It’s all well and good saying get a job elsewhere but the CWU are paid to protect employees in this industry now and into the future.

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

I think so. Also a lot of new starters that probably won’t intend on staying longer than a year or two (like a lot of new starters now TBF) will probably be less inclined to join the union.
I personally think in 5 years or so we will be a minimum wage company with a high turnover of staff and a smaller proportion of that staff will be CWU members.

That is exactly why the CWU will not allow a vote on any deal that involves new starters having less benefits. It would lead to their eventual demise. Both sides have an agenda here and we are stuck in the middle.

I don’t think the CWU have any cards left to play. I’m not sure what the union can do now since RM effectively walked away from the talks.
The changes are coming. And any that don’t get forced through now will be waiting in the wings until the new agreement ends in 3 years or so.

[richietns]

Most off our new starters have stayed its the older staff who have been there ages and can't handle the constant change that have been going.

[redlen]

Have to disagree.

Are agency staff not Royal Mail workers?

Royal Mail is at breaking point being understaffed. The CWU should be fighting for Angard staff to be made permanent as future employees yet have nothing but contempt for them rather than protecting. A high number of Angard staff are/were CWU members until the got stabbed in the back during this dispute.

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.

Not bothered about new starters terms and conditions? You will be if we are taken over.

I kind of get where filthybloke is coming from,even though I dont like it. New contracts will definitely not be as good as most of us already have no matter what the union comes up with. It's just the market as RM see it. Theres plenty that work as owner drivers for evri for example or uber with no rights to holidays etc,many of these people just do it for a year or so and move on and people will use employment at RM in the same way in the future. The day of the RM lifer is coming to an end. Sad days

I think so. Also a lot of new starters that probably won’t intend on staying longer than a year or two (like a lot of new starters now TBF) will probably be less inclined to join the union.
I personally think in 5 years or so we will be a minimum wage company with a high turnover of staff and a smaller proportion of that staff will be CWU members.

That is exactly why the CWU will not allow a vote on any deal that involves new starters having less benefits. It would lead to their eventual demise. Both sides have an agenda here and we are stuck in the middle.

Are the union not right to protect future employees of the company? It’s all well and good saying get a job elsewhere but the CWU are paid to protect employees in this industry now and into the future.

Yes but if you plan on joining a job for a year or two then you probably won’t need a union. For most young people being a postman isn’t something they will do for life anymore.
As for the current members, the union seems powerless to help them.