DAVE WARD STOP THE FLANNEL

[rambo1]

We’re all ready doing 1 hour more delivery than last year having to cut off or claim plus we now start at 715 and finish on longs at 310, this has all gone through with reps approval so what is the point of strike it’s already started to change and no union can or wants to do anything about it

How are you doing 1 hr more delivery? 1 hr less prep? How long is your delivery? If it's not more than 5hrs I'd stop complaining. Those start finish times are what we've had for 5-6yrs so I guess you've had it easy and are just catching up.

[rambo1]

And how do you keep track of annualised hours? Trust management when they say “right u owe me 50 hours over the next 2 months” or go back to the dry lunch of a union and complain?

You have set hrs for summer and winter a bit like you do for Tuesday and Wednesday now. You don't lose track of what hrs you work during a normal week now do you?

[rambo1]

cwu won't accept new entrants on lesser t&c even though they would know this beforehand
but are willing to let every single existing postie who MUST do the school run, grandparents included potentially quit or pay someone to do it from march 24! and remember 4-30 becomes 5pm if flexing there
fantastic work by the team

plenty wanting the £1500 bung before they quit

We use to finish at 12 every day and 9 on a Saturday, nothing stays the same forever, not many jobs out there now that give you the finish times we once had.

so your statement basically says feck the family friendly side, we just want single people without children!
i don't have any issues with the finish times but know quite a few good friends who will and it would cost more and potentially quit something they love doing, but that's ok in today's world yeah?

Basically, yes. Sounds harsh but when did anyone ever say when you started the job that your hrs will stay the same for as long as you want to stay in the job? Nobody could expect that. I used to go cycle racing Saturday afternoon, haven't been able to do that for about 10 yrs now, I had to adapt. So will others. The world can't just revolve around childcare I'm afraid.

[rambo1]

RM have said no more talks and have walked out of the room.

Ward and Furey are suddenly left sitting on their own looking at each other bewildered and so have basically now gone cap in hand to RM saying we remain available anytime over the weekend/bank holiday for more talks.

Are they expecting RM to suddenly change their minds, back down and return straight back to the room?

Are they SERIOUSLY expecting anything from RM before the bank holiday is over? Remember.....total silence from RM between Christmas and the New Year, they enjoyed their yuletide break and s0d the workforce

What members were expecting tonight I don't know...the very fact that RM walked out of talks should have told you that tonight's update was not going to tell you anything.

I am CWU through and through but you have to concede that Ward is in completely unchartered territory, never before has such drastic action by the union been constantly resisted by RM, sadly I do think Ward is now trying to save his face, making big things of what miniscule concessions have been made by RM. No compulsory redundancies? They don't need to...with posties leaving in their droves and not being replaced it's mission accomplished with no severance pay!

A last thought: Ward said tonight that this "agreement" they seek is a 2 year agreement, so, the MAXIMUM that it will last is 2 years, and that will be unlikely as RM will just steam roller over it if they choose to, and before you know it you are back to square one.

VERY sad times.

The thing is, if strikes are to be called again, then we all know it must be an aggressive approach and not the lacklustre schedule before Christmas. This is why CWU are reluctant at the moment to call strikes, because they know they have to be very severe

There will not be any strike. It's a nuclear button that was never going to be pressed. Why can't people understand this?

[rambo1]

cwu won't accept new entrants on lesser t&c even though they would know this beforehand
but are willing to let every single existing postie who MUST do the school run, grandparents included potentially quit or pay someone to do it from march 24! and remember 4-30 becomes 5pm if flexing there
fantastic work by the team

plenty wanting the £1500 bung before they quit

We use to finish at 12 every day and 9 on a Saturday, nothing stays the same forever, not many jobs out there now that give you the finish times we once had.

so your statement basically says feck the family friendly side, we just want single people without children!
i don't have any issues with the finish times but know quite a few good friends who will and it would cost more and potentially quit something they love doing, but that's ok in today's world yeah?

The deal included a delay to the finish time change till next year, giving time for employees with children the opportunity to make arrangements. I’m not saying it is right, but not many jobs out there make allowances for employees picking up their kids from school. Folks just have to deal with it, just as they have to make other sacrifices in their lives if they choose to have kids.

Exactly. People need to stop feeling they're entitled to no change. It's ridiculous.

[hans solo]

RM have said no more talks and have walked out of the room.

Ward and Furey are suddenly left sitting on their own looking at each other bewildered and so have basically now gone cap in hand to RM saying we remain available anytime over the weekend/bank holiday for more talks.

Are they expecting RM to suddenly change their minds, back down and return straight back to the room?

Are they SERIOUSLY expecting anything from RM before the bank holiday is over? Remember.....total silence from RM between Christmas and the New Year, they enjoyed their yuletide break and s0d the workforce

What members were expecting tonight I don't know...the very fact that RM walked out of talks should have told you that tonight's update was not going to tell you anything.

I am CWU through and through but you have to concede that Ward is in completely unchartered territory, never before has such drastic action by the union been constantly resisted by RM, sadly I do think Ward is now trying to save his face, making big things of what miniscule concessions have been made by RM. No compulsory redundancies? They don't need to...with posties leaving in their droves and not being replaced it's mission accomplished with no severance pay!

A last thought: Ward said tonight that this "agreement" they seek is a 2 year agreement, so, the MAXIMUM that it will last is 2 years, and that will be unlikely as RM will just steam roller over it if they choose to, and before you know it you are back to square one.

VERY sad times.

They do have communication by the facilitator of the talks things can be done on the phone or email now both sides know this. If is if there is a will to end this dispute on both sides and how much each side moves till then that's all folks.

It’s the facilitator ACAS and Brendan barber who have got us into this position
Barber f****d us over before while with ACAS and will have done so again siding with RM proposals
I would imagine there has been a few hefty deposits in ones bank accounts

[49erman]

cwu won't accept new entrants on lesser t&c even though they would know this beforehand
but are willing to let every single existing postie who MUST do the school run, grandparents included potentially quit or pay someone to do it from march 24! and remember 4-30 becomes 5pm if flexing there
fantastic work by the team

plenty wanting the £1500 bung before they quit

We use to finish at 12 every day and 9 on a Saturday, nothing stays the same forever, not many jobs out there now that give you the finish times we once had.

so your statement basically says feck the family friendly side, we just want single people without children!
i don't have any issues with the finish times but know quite a few good friends who will and it would cost more and potentially quit something they love doing, but that's ok in today's world yeah?

Basically, yes. Sounds harsh but when did anyone ever say when you started the job that your hrs will stay the same for as long as you want to stay in the job? Nobody could expect that. I used to go cycle racing Saturday afternoon, haven't been able to do that for about 10 yrs now, I had to adapt. So will others. The world can't just revolve around childcare I'm afraid.

I take it from your stance, you don’t have school age children? So you wouldn’t know the stress and worry that 10000’s are going through………

[richietns]

Change is all we've done for the past decade,this is just wrecking the company for profit which isn't even put back into the company.

[postieblueshirt]

cwu won't accept new entrants on lesser t&c even though they would know this beforehand
but are willing to let every single existing postie who MUST do the school run, grandparents included potentially quit or pay someone to do it from march 24! and remember 4-30 becomes 5pm if flexing there
fantastic work by the team

plenty wanting the £1500 bung before they quit

We use to finish at 12 every day and 9 on a Saturday, nothing stays the same forever, not many jobs out there now that give you the finish times we once had.

so your statement basically says feck the family friendly side, we just want single people without children!
i don't have any issues with the finish times but know quite a few good friends who will and it would cost more and potentially quit something they love doing, but that's ok in today's world yeah?

Basically, yes. Sounds harsh but when did anyone ever say when you started the job that your hrs will stay the same for as long as you want to stay in the job? Nobody could expect that. I used to go cycle racing Saturday afternoon, haven't been able to do that for about 10 yrs now, I had to adapt. So will others. The world can't just revolve around childcare I'm afraid.

I take it from your stance, you don’t have school age children? So you wouldn’t know the stress and worry that 10000’s are going through………

The variation in office times is massive I'm 48 yrs old my kids are now 16 and 14 I've never been able to pick any of them up at primary school because I finished to late for me this is not a new problem.I can on a light day now sometimes get my youngest from high school as I pass it on the way home.

[chickenwittle]

cwu won't accept new entrants on lesser t&c even though they would know this beforehand
but are willing to let every single existing postie who MUST do the school run, grandparents included potentially quit or pay someone to do it from march 24! and remember 4-30 becomes 5pm if flexing there
fantastic work by the team

plenty wanting the £1500 bung before they quit

We use to finish at 12 every day and 9 on a Saturday, nothing stays the same forever, not many jobs out there now that give you the finish times we once had.

so your statement basically says feck the family friendly side, we just want single people without children!
i don't have any issues with the finish times but know quite a few good friends who will and it would cost more and potentially quit something they love doing, but that's ok in today's world yeah?

Basically, yes. Sounds harsh but when did anyone ever say when you started the job that your hrs will stay the same for as long as you want to stay in the job? Nobody could expect that. I used to go cycle racing Saturday afternoon, haven't been able to do that for about 10 yrs now, I had to adapt. So will others. The world can't just revolve around childcare I'm afraid.

I take it from your stance, you don’t have school age children? So you wouldn’t know the stress and worry that 10000’s are going through………

The variation in office times is massive I'm 48 yrs old my kids are now 16 and 14 I've never been able to pick any of them up at primary school because I finished to late for me this is not a new problem.I can on a light day now sometimes get my youngest from high school as I pass it on the way home.

Agree we’ve had 3pm finishes for as long as I can remember, the school runs went years ago.

[RTP]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

[pieoftheday]

And how do you keep track of annualised hours? Trust management when they say “right u owe me 50 hours over the next 2 months” or go back to the dry lunch of a union and complain?

You have set hrs for summer and winter a bit like you do for Tuesday and Wednesday now. You don't lose track of what hrs you work during a normal week now do you?

I havnt read everything re 'annualised hrs ' got a bit jaded with everything but, are RM now saying flexi hrs is effectively 35hrs over the summer and 39 over a same length winter period?

[chickenwittle]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

I think your probably right , never going to make everyone happy but they did seem to reiterate those 2 points in last nights update.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

I cannot see any strikes happening until after the May election, trying to strike before looks like an easy injunction win in court for the RM board.

[FilthyBloke]

Seen as though most of the stuff has been agreed by the union I wonder what peoples thoughts are on what would swing it for the union to get the deal over the line.

I reckon reinstating the IHR and new starters levelling up in 2 years instead of 5 might do it.

Not bothered about the new starters. They will know the contract before they sign it.
All id like to see is an end to duties having too much piled on them.