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Deafening silence

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Frankie15
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Frankie15 »

The Treaty of Versailles didn't take as long as these talks. I get that negotiations take time and things are delicate and the union cant show their hands, we all do but it's the lack of knowing what is going on that is getting our backs up. The reps in our office when asked about updates just shrug us away and are more worried about their own duties not getting extra added on in their revisions never mind the rest of their unit than anything else. It really pisses you off to be honest!!!
mags999
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Re: Deafening silence

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Does anyone know what these reps have done or been accused of before we let them hang out to dry let's here some truths of what they've done its cowardly to let them be the scapegoats on any deal and there's a few on here would gladly give them up to achieve a deal :no no
redlen
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by redlen »

Reps suspended or dismissed have nothing to do with the dispute.

All we need to know is that they have breached the conduct code for whatever reason and now suspended until any allegation has been investigated.
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Burghboy »

redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:09
Reps suspended or dismissed have nothing to do with the dispute.

All we need to know is that they have breached the conduct code for whatever reason and now suspended until any allegation has been investigated.
Drivel as usual, of course it has to do with the dispute, most have been victimised as part of the dispute, the company want to de unionise the workplace, what part of that don’t you grasp? What they want is for no one to take the role of office Rep going forward, hence this treatment of them.
redlen
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by redlen »

Hardly drivel

A rep is an employee bound by the same conduct code as everybody else

Why should they receive special treatment over a normal employee grade with issues of conduct?

That is discriminatory

All pigs are equal but some pigs more equal than others
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Wolf91
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Wolf91 »

redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:39
Hardly drivel

A rep is an employee bound by the same conduct code as everybody else

Why should they receive special treatment over a normal employee grade with issues of conduct?

That is discriminatory
I sure hope Royal Mail adequately compensate you for coming on here all hours of the day to parrot their propaganda.
redlen
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by redlen »

How about debating the issue rather than personal insults?
Burghboy
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Burghboy »

redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:39
Hardly drivel

A rep is an employee bound by the same conduct code as everybody else

Why should they receive special treatment over a normal employee grade with issues of conduct?

That is discriminatory

All pigs are equal but some pigs more equal than others
You’re right they do deserve to be treated the same, and the facts are they are not, they are being victimised. Anyone who’s took time to look into why some of them have been suspended and the reasons will easily come to that conclusion.
WalkerX
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by WalkerX »

stan_lers wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 18:35
The attitude of some (probably most, in fact) people on this forum over these talks are insane.

There are probably agreements and NDAs that the union can't give updates on the talks. They're not going to give daily updates on what has and hasn't been discussed or agreed, and the fact that nothing is being said, if anything, is probably a good sign.

The company has certain things that they want to bring in and they will have costed them against the impact of strikes. There's just no way to negotiate against that but silence from the union doesn't mean that they're rolling over. If they were, they'd have come out weeks ago with an "offer". I don't think they've done anything to justify the people attacking them, who presumably think they should be saying "give us everything we want" and then calling a strike when they say no.
:Applause
derricksmyth
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by derricksmyth »

redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:42
How about debating the issue rather than personal insults?
Is that an insult or a statement of fact? I think a Rep is always open to the book being thrown at them , than a ordinary OPG.
If you think otherwise then you live in Cloud Cookoo Land !
aiden01
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by aiden01 »

Burghboy wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:48
redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:39
Hardly drivel

A rep is an employee bound by the same conduct code as everybody else

Why should they receive special treatment over a normal employee grade with issues of conduct?

That is discriminatory

All pigs are equal but some pigs more equal than others
You’re right they do deserve to be treated the same, and the facts are they are not, they are being victimised. Anyone who’s took time to look into why some of them have been suspended and the reasons will easily come to that conclusion.
Where can we find that info please.
Edward Hunter
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Edward Hunter »

redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:42
How about debating the issue rather than personal insults?

Leave Len The troll Manager alone. He has to wait nearly a whole month for his next pay check. Hes upset.
Shadedpostie
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Re: Deafening silence

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mags999 wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:05
Does anyone know what these reps have done or been accused of before we let them hang out to dry let's here some truths of what they've done its cowardly to let them be the scapegoats on any deal and there's a few on here would gladly give them up to achieve a deal :no no
The union actually discussed some of them on LBC actually. One being letting off flares on the picket lines, which is a really stupid example to use to get people on your side. It's actually illegal to set them off in a public setting for anything but an emergency. And you did have numerous of CWU posts with people holding them on the picket lines. Hell, I'm sure people in comments at the time were warning them about it. It completely backfired on them :arrrghhh
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

Burghboy wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:48
redlen wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:39
Hardly drivel

A rep is an employee bound by the same conduct code as everybody else

Why should they receive special treatment over a normal employee grade with issues of conduct?

That is discriminatory

All pigs are equal but some pigs more equal than others
You’re right they do deserve to be treated the same, and the facts are they are not, they are being victimised. Anyone who’s took time to look into why some of them have been suspended and the reasons will easily come to that conclusion.
Exactly.
He must be ignorant to the facts and the individual cases.
If anyone knew the detail of some of these cases there is no other conclusion.
The union cant let this happen.
It sets a precedent for the future.
Emboldening the bullying culture that royal mail have encouraged in some of these out of control managers.
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Re: Deafening silence

Post by thefox »

ReturnToSenderrr wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 19:01
thefox wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 18:52
Another week another deafening silence thread😒
I can't find any other "deafening silence" threads.
The silence is deafening was last 1,a few threads down you never looked very hard.