Changing start and finish time

[ernieshoe]

wot abaat the footie man

[winsor phone]

Another great idea by the man that has lost Royal Mail 700 million , and he’s still in a job.

[TopperGas]

Plus what happens to the afternoon collections and LATs deliveries if all the posties are still out on deliveries?

Collections could be integrated into normal duties but then the rounds, in theory anyway, would have to be reduced and so more posties would need to be employee for the extra rounds.

Likewise extra posties would have to be employed to deliver the LATs as they will still be arriving too late to go out with the normal rounds.

What also happens to the Tracked etc which is delivered in overtime if for some reason it hasn't been delivered during the day, as the other poster suggests, who's going to want to start doing overtime at 5/6pm in the dark in the winter when they'd normally starting doing it at 2/3pm in daylight?

[k979aaa]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

I fully agree this has not been thought out other than the back of a fag packet and its many forms of stupidity by the whole RM board!

[seesred]

Start and finish times make a difference to anyone who relies on public transport to get them to and from work.

[k979aaa]

Well the clowns at the top think they will have staff to do these hours dependent on location?

[SpacePhoenix]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

For DOs which cover a town/city/urban area they can send out a van to do all the SDs. The amount of SDs is continuing to drop, I believe they're looking at removing even more hours from our locker

[sindba]

You can't base the shift times of a multi million pound business on the fact that some of the workforce say "but I've got kids to pick up".

Later start times are the one thing the Union should give up fighting about. In my opinion. There's absolutely no good reason for us starting at 6am.

Most of the workforce do have kids.

So what?

You can't run a business or have strikes based on "people want to knock off at 3 because they have stuff they want to do".

[neviboss]

wot abaat the footie man

Those of us who have a season ticket, I oh by the way your finish time is now 4 pm!

Foxtrot Oscar!

[Nickvilla20]

Heard there was a lad in my old office who plays semi pro football on Saturday and couldn’t finish early enough to go play.

So he became a manager and now finishes early every Saturday.

[richietns]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

For DOs which cover a town/city/urban area they can send out a van to do all the SDs. The amount of SDs is continuing to drop, I believe they're looking at removing even more hours from our locker

Its not efficient to send a van out with SDs when you can just give them to each duty who are already going to be in that vicinity.

[SpacePhoenix]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

For DOs which cover a town/city/urban area they can send out a van to do all the SDs. The amount of SDs is continuing to drop, I believe they're looking at removing even more hours from our locker

Its not efficient to send a van out with SDs when you can just give them to each duty who are already going to be in that vicinity.

On the flip side with the time taken to cut-off to deliver the SDs, how much other mail could have been delivered in that time?

[richietns]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

For DOs which cover a town/city/urban area they can send out a van to do all the SDs. The amount of SDs is continuing to drop, I believe they're looking at removing even more hours from our locker

Its not efficient to send a van out with SDs when you can just give them to each duty who are already going to be in that vicinity.

On the flip side with the time taken to cut-off to deliver the SDs, how much other mail could have been delivered in that time?

Most dutys only get 3 or 4 average its not really that difficult to just change your bag priority to accommodate.

[rambo1]

wot abaat the footie man

Those of us who have a season ticket, I oh by the way your finish time is now 4 pm!

Foxtrot Oscar!

Our rurals have been 4pm finish for 3yrs now!

[rambo1]

we have all changed over the yrs, why such a pushback on more?

Precisely because of those changes. At every turn the company gets what it wants. Inevitably there emerges a desire to draw a line in the sand, no matter how trivial the proposal at hand.

A lot of the changes that Royal Mail are trying to force through are just going to make us even more unproductive. Take later start times for example. We will probably have to deliver all the Specials first and then face rush hour traffic on the way back; and who wants to do any additional overtime if they are finishing in the dark? Ah well, we are already failing the USO on a daily basis now with bigger duties so what difference does it make if the service is further eroded.

Commercially, it really doesn't make any sense for us to completely abandon the AM delivery period when our competitors are out delivering.

For DOs which cover a town/city/urban area they can send out a van to do all the SDs. The amount of SDs is continuing to drop, I believe they're looking at removing even more hours from our locker

Its not efficient to send a van out with SDs when you can just give them to each duty who are already going to be in that vicinity.

On the flip side with the time taken to cut-off to deliver the SDs, how much other mail could have been delivered in that time?

Most dutys only get 3 or 4 average its not really that difficult to just change your bag priority to accommodate.

Yeah ,but it does make it less productive if you have to go running around in the van to do the SD out of order, instead of doing them as you got to them like in the old days. On HCT deliveries SD, if they aren't gonna get to them by 1pm they leave for a locker staff to take out in a van which sometimes can take 1.5 hrs running round town with 25 SD to deliver. Again not productive. On the whole the business was far more efficient and cost effective when we had bike deliveries out at 7am and a few pkt drivers. OK now we'd have to have more than a few pkt drivers but they could be full time starting when deliveries go out and be back to pickup the LAT's for afternoon. The business is basically fxxcked because they think people want to order shxt at 11 pm and have it next day. Most of the time they're not even in and so it takes an extra day for them to get it anyway.