LTB 080/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP DISPUTE - NATIONAL ONLINE BRIEFING

[Tman]

500 years of a company destroyed in no time at all. This has been the plan all along give the CWU offers they know they can’t accept. Buying time to get the ultimate goal the complete break up Royal Mail

Privatisation handbook

The "privatisation handbook" says the goal is to break up and destroy the company?
Something's off with your understanding and logic there.

[1617mel]

Rambo 1, your reply is acknowledged as being very informative I thank you for that, I reiterate my saying that all other parts of the workforce have been settled. I know striking is a last resort, and you are very correct in saying ,people have lost so much money from previous strike days, but we all see what's going on firsthand in our DOs , your suggestion going in work your hours , take your breaks , Finnish at the correct time, is very doable. But this would be spontaneous across the workforce, and if the implementation of annual hour which I'm in no doubt is one of RMs most wanted conditions is implemented, then the Finnish time per day becomes obsolete, I'm not an arguer person but I'm thinking a STRIKE motive will get RM backs up, it will get them worried over losing more business, this is not the way , as you are right it will affect the future, but so be it, and I may be wrong but if strike days are announced, I think a large amount of the workforce will comply not just for the unions sake but for our own sake..

[needadvice]

My gut feeling is it will carry on until there is no business.

That's pretty much it. There is absolutely no sign of any agreement and what is worse, RM have no desire for an agreement right now. They are playing a very long game, thinking about future generations and how they can remodel the business into another Amazon and are prepared to make enormous initial losses for the dream ticket that will milk the future generations

[chickenwittle]

Striking after Easter is a joke the CWU should have announced dates last week (14 days notice) we could have announced Thursday before good friday and the saturday after plus the tuesday after easter monday which would have given us a nice break poor again by our union

Oh give it up , they rode out Xmas for Christ sake , strike dates are irrelevant.

[dakka86]

500 years of a company destroyed in no time at all. This has been the plan all along give the CWU offers they know they can’t accept. Buying time to get the ultimate goal the complete break up Royal Mail

Privatisation handbook

The "privatisation handbook" says the goal is to break up and destroy the company?
Something's off with your understanding and logic there.

That’s exactly what’s happening to the letters side of the business so no nothing wrong with my logic. I can’t believe people can’t see what happening it’s so obvious

[rambo1]

Rambo 1, your reply is acknowledged as being very informative I thank you for that, I reiterate my saying that all other parts of the workforce have been settled. I know striking is a last resort, and you are very correct in saying ,people have lost so much money from previous strike days, but we all see what's going on firsthand in our DOs , your suggestion going in work your hours , take your breaks , Finnish at the correct time, is very doable. But this would be spontaneous across the workforce, and if the implementation of annual hour which I'm in no doubt is one of RMs most wanted conditions is implemented, then the Finnish time per day becomes obsolete, I'm not an arguer person but I'm thinking a STRIKE motive will get RM backs up, it will get them worried over losing more business, this is not the way , as you are right it will affect the future, but so be it, and I may be wrong but if strike days are announced, I think a large amount of the workforce will comply not just for the unions sake but for our own sake..

Thanks.
I think you're confusing annualised hrs with commit to deliver. Commit to deliver will never be agreed or voted in. It'd be suicide for us. Annualised hrs is simply working an hr or two a week longer in busy period, typically September to February then an hr or two less a week the other six months. Not sure how that would work with someone who wanted to take most of their leave in winter, they'd use more up but anyway, you'd still have start and finish times.

[SpacePhoenix]

Striking after Easter is a joke the CWU should have announced dates last week (14 days notice) we could have announced Thursday before good friday and the saturday after plus the tuesday after easter monday which would have given us a nice break poor again by our union

Oh give it up , they rode out Xmas for Christ sake , strike dates are irrelevant.

Strikes are the only option we've got without a fresh ballot

[redlen]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

[Post69]

Strikes won’t make any difference at all! Black Friday and Christmas proved that and the people who say let’s go out for a week what’s your plan after a week of sitting around your brazier outside your office? And an overtime ban? Yeah right all the delivery offices around my area have had all the overtime taken away by management and told just to bring the delivery back if it’s not completed!
Simon Thompson has got his wish him and his cronies have set up the parent company “IDS” to strip the profitable parcel part and leave the letters together the uso and Royal Mail to give back to the public ie the government which won’t do a damn thing about it! Royal Mail will just fade away Remember P&O that was the test case for all these narcissistic CEO’s knowingly lying braking the law and openly saying they would do it again and a government that didn’t do f#@k all about it!
Royal Mail as it is no longer exists I think the best thing for everyone is it will go into administration forget about let’s stick together brothers and sit on a picket line for ever and a day getting more stressed and depressed for what? A low paid job with complete and utter idiot management that only understand bullying and harassment as a spiteful way of managing people why would anyone put themselves through that?
Don’t get me wrong I’m completely behind and believe in a unionised workforce but we have to face the fact that we’ve had 13 years of a government that despises unions and together with a right wing media have destroyed what laws were their to protect a working person admittedly very cleverly done by divide and conquer methods! After 40 years in Royal Mail and countless disputes I think this one is the final chapter! But I’m genuinely hopeful that the union can prove me wrong!

[rambo1]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

Because that would be more contract hrs wouldn't it. If they want you to work longer days at peak times of the yr, they have to knock that off on slack times of the yr to get an average of your contract hrs.

[SpacePhoenix]

Rambo 1, your reply is acknowledged as being very informative I thank you for that, I reiterate my saying that all other parts of the workforce have been settled. I know striking is a last resort, and you are very correct in saying ,people have lost so much money from previous strike days, but we all see what's going on firsthand in our DOs , your suggestion going in work your hours , take your breaks , Finnish at the correct time, is very doable. But this would be spontaneous across the workforce, and if the implementation of annual hour which I'm in no doubt is one of RMs most wanted conditions is implemented, then the Finnish time per day becomes obsolete, I'm not an arguer person but I'm thinking a STRIKE motive will get RM backs up, it will get them worried over losing more business, this is not the way , as you are right it will affect the future, but so be it, and I may be wrong but if strike days are announced, I think a large amount of the workforce will comply not just for the unions sake but for our own sake..

Thanks.
I think you're confusing annualised hrs with commit to deliver. Commit to deliver will never be agreed or voted in. It'd be suicide for us. Annualised hrs is simply working an hr or two a week longer in busy period, typically September to February then an hr or two less a week the other six months. Not sure how that would work with someone who wanted to take most of their leave in winter, they'd use more up but anyway, you'd still have start and finish times.

Annualised hours would mean that walks would have to be different in the summer than in the winter, when you consider that many go over all year around

[chickenwittle]

Striking after Easter is a joke the CWU should have announced dates last week (14 days notice) we could have announced Thursday before good friday and the saturday after plus the tuesday after easter monday which would have given us a nice break poor again by our union

Oh give it up , they rode out Xmas for Christ sake , strike dates are irrelevant.

Strikes are the only option we've got without a fresh ballot

I agree, I’m talking about people moaning about the dates of the strike, it makes no difference,he’s clearly moaning because he’d like a nice break over Easter, pathetic.

[rambo1]

Rambo 1, your reply is acknowledged as being very informative I thank you for that, I reiterate my saying that all other parts of the workforce have been settled. I know striking is a last resort, and you are very correct in saying ,people have lost so much money from previous strike days, but we all see what's going on firsthand in our DOs , your suggestion going in work your hours , take your breaks , Finnish at the correct time, is very doable. But this would be spontaneous across the workforce, and if the implementation of annual hour which I'm in no doubt is one of RMs most wanted conditions is implemented, then the Finnish time per day becomes obsolete, I'm not an arguer person but I'm thinking a STRIKE motive will get RM backs up, it will get them worried over losing more business, this is not the way , as you are right it will affect the future, but so be it, and I may be wrong but if strike days are announced, I think a large amount of the workforce will comply not just for the unions sake but for our own sake..

Thanks.
I think you're confusing annualised hrs with commit to deliver. Commit to deliver will never be agreed or voted in. It'd be suicide for us. Annualised hrs is simply working an hr or two a week longer in busy period, typically September to February then an hr or two less a week the other six months. Not sure how that would work with someone who wanted to take most of their leave in winter, they'd use more up but anyway, you'd still have start and finish times.

Annualised hours would mean that walks would have to be different in the summer than in the winter, when you consider that many go over all year around

The walks (in theory) would be different in summer. They'd have less traffic! Whether they'd be completable in time is another matter. A bit like when they reduced our hrs but kept walks the same. All that happened was you either worked to time and had less hrs at work for the same pay or you claimed the overtime and got an (actual) pay rise.

[redlen]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

Because that would be more contract hrs wouldn't it. If they want you to work longer days at peak times of the yr, they have to knock that off on slack times of the yr to get an average of your contract hrs.

Contracted hours would not change

An example being you could work six hours a day in the summer when traffic is light, and 10 hours a day in the winter when heavy with a 40 hour contract

[aiden01]

Striking after Easter is a joke the CWU should have announced dates last week (14 days notice) we could have announced Thursday before good friday and the saturday after plus the tuesday after easter monday which would have given us a nice break poor again by our union

Ffs going on strike is not about having a nice break.