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Nickvilla20
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CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:57
redlen wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:38
You also have the problem with banks at the moment and liquidity.

There are not that many banks with the sort of capital that Royal Mail needs to borrow.
With interest rates going up servicing that debt will be a major headache.
RM has already borrowed the money (or has the credit facility) - but it needs to service the repayments and maintain it’s creditors confidence it can continue to do that.

Just checked last years accounts - Thompson almost doubled the companies net debt to £985 million (from £457).

If you go with Thompson’s claims then at least £365 million has been added to that this financial year.

Hmmmm!
Superhubs, Electric vans and a brand new uniform rollout will do that.

He must have really thought the pandemic traffic volumes would have continued. It really shows he’s should nowhere near the job of CEO.
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Nickvilla20 wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 22:07
CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:57
redlen wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:38
You also have the problem with banks at the moment and liquidity.

There are not that many banks with the sort of capital that Royal Mail needs to borrow.
With interest rates going up servicing that debt will be a major headache.
RM has already borrowed the money (or has the credit facility) - but it needs to service the repayments and maintain it’s creditors confidence it can continue to do that.

Just checked last years accounts - Thompson almost doubled the companies net debt to £985 million (from £457).

If you go with Thompson’s claims then at least £365 million has been added to that this financial year.

Hmmmm!
Superhubs, Electric vans and a brand new uniform rollout will do that.

He must have really thought the pandemic traffic volumes would have continued. It really shows he’s should nowhere near the job of CEO.
Handy way to crash the company
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Post by Ferrari5825 »

CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:24
CRIBMAD wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 17:07
How much redundancy will I get if my company goes into administration?
For each full year you've worked for your employer, you get: up to age 22 - half a week's pay. age 22 to 40 - 1 week's pay. age 41 and older - 1.5 weeks' pay.

that's 10k for me so either way i'm not bothered (although i realise its not great for the young ones - sorry )
It should be noted in the case of be made redundant as part of a company going into administration your redundancy payment would be registered as a debt owed by the company.

What you would be due under statutory redundancy terms and what you actually get would be dependent on a number of factors.
Do you know what happens if the company goes into administration and you recently took up your VR offer, but it happened during the notice period you have to work? Would you still get what you signed for, or would you just get statutory?
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Ferrari5825 wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 22:23
CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:24
CRIBMAD wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 17:07
How much redundancy will I get if my company goes into administration?
For each full year you've worked for your employer, you get: up to age 22 - half a week's pay. age 22 to 40 - 1 week's pay. age 41 and older - 1.5 weeks' pay.

that's 10k for me so either way i'm not bothered (although i realise its not great for the young ones - sorry )
It should be noted in the case of be made redundant as part of a company going into administration your redundancy payment would be registered as a debt owed by the company.

What you would be due under statutory redundancy terms and what you actually get would be dependent on a number of factors.
Do you know what happens if the company goes into administration and you recently took up your VR offer, but it happened during the notice period you have to work? Would you still get what you signed for, or would you just get statutory?
How's a company in administration going to find £m's to pay enhanced redundancy payments, when it's basically saying it can't even afford to pay the bills to keep the lights on?

Thousands of staff could be laid off with minimal redundancy payments if the company goes into administration, it sheer madness by dopey Dave to call for more strikes and by doing so threaten all our jobs/likelihoods or just scaremongering by Walsh, what a way to run a union.
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CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:48
A further curious issue with RM being put into administration is what would happen to stamps which RM have issued.

They are in themselves a financial instrument - they hold a monetary value - and they act as a forward payment towards a future service to be provided.

Just this aspect alone would make any form of administration vastly complex and I would suggest, makes it nigh on impossible for any government to allow RM to go into liquidation.
Nothing stopping them just running a minimal postal service, perhaps just one class of postage delivered 3 times a week and the parcel business sold off to the highest bidder, or even selling the entire business to the highest bidder, RM might look like brilliant employers if we're sold to Amazon or DPD/EVRI.

I wonder what DK's making of all this given he owns a quarter
of the business, unless he's hoping to get the other ¾ on the cheap if we go into Administration!
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Post by k979aaa »

You really have to look at privatisation royal mail 1516 to 2013 and was privatised 2013 says it all does it not!
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Post by LouBarlow »

Duesouth wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 22:04
Things just don't add up with the way the business is run. They said we're losing a million a day, but at the same time give themselves and managers free money (bonuses).
They were giving bonuses out to shareholders, including me and you, when we were making record profits at the height of the pandemic. Unless you have invented a time-machine recently and can journey back and tell them not to do this, it doesn’t help us in the here and now. The company is losing millions. Calling strikes at this point is beyond reckless. Good job there are plenty of jobs out there as there are going to be thousands of ex-posties looking for alternative employment very soon.
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Post by richietns »

LouBarlow wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 05:22
Duesouth wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 22:04
Things just don't add up with the way the business is run. They said we're losing a million a day, but at the same time give themselves and managers free money (bonuses).
They were giving bonuses out to shareholders, including me and you, when we were making record profits at the height of the pandemic. Unless you have invented a time-machine recently and can journey back and tell them not to do this, it doesn’t help us in the here and now. The company is losing millions. Calling strikes at this point is beyond reckless. Good job there are plenty of jobs out there as there are going to be thousands of ex-posties looking for alternative employment very soon.
They've been saying that they are losing millions from the very start of privatisation why dont RM get behind the workforce and sort a deal out and build the company UP like every other CEO has done.
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Post by chrisj »

What exactly do you think they are doing - building the business up and diversifying because the letter business had run its course. The unit cost of delivering letters is not coming down (going up with everything else including wages) and the revenue from letters are down because the volumes have been dropping for decades.

They have been gradually not making enough on letters for decades but it might have gone into Red; parcels are subsidising the whole business but even those will reach optimum.

It is a hard business to run and manage as it is, then add intransigent workforce and an archaic Union...

The status quo of pre-privatisation cannot be returned to; even then the profit was not mega compared to the revenue.

Who will buy such an handicap of a business and who will run it without wanting mega mega salary and bonuses? The government certainly will not want to run it but they need a good and (profitable) postal service as a going concern - it is in the national interest!

Royal mail can just sit tight - continue the executive actions and watch the CWU implode and lose members or given the boot off the shop floor.

Strikes - so what? We have had those and unless they call for many days or a full week - it will not achieve much and a lot might not even take part.

RM should call their bluff and impose a pay deal from next financial year!
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chrisj wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 05:58

RM should call their bluff and impose a pay deal from next financial year!
I can see them doing that. I also agree we have to get realistic about letters traffic.
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Post by Mike G »

k979aaa wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 00:10
You really have to look at privatisation royal mail 1516 to 2013 and was privatised 2013 says it all does it not!
The problem isn't privatisation perse, the problem is what is now a privatised company being held back from operating in an efficient and profitable manner and not being allowed to provide a relevant product for the customer.

A company being held back by a self serving union that wants to retain a pointless, anachronistic and inefficient 'public service' in the form of the 6 day letters USO which requires a bloated workforce to deliver an increasingly irrelevant 'public service'

The union are not acting in the best interests of their membership, all the union are interested in is RM remaining as personnel heavy as possible so there's no reduction in income from union membership subs.
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F#ckem I would rather see the company burn, than back down to Thompson and his bullies
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Post by redlen »

Bosley wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 07:17
F#ckem I would rather see the company burn, than back down to Thompson and his bullies
Is that not what Terry Pullinger said?
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Post by redlen »

Is it any wonder Royal Mail are not interested in any compromise with the slander and constant vitriolic juvenile comments, especially from the CWU head of communications directed towards the CE0 on social media?

Now i agree these unrealistic revisions and changes are causing untold damage to goodwill and the employees but?

My old man used to work for BL at Cowley and was home more times than at work due to strikes. Look what happened eventually to the British Motor Manufacturing Industry due to the intransigence of the trade unions?

Ask yourself why trade disputes in European Nations never last long compared to the British industrial relations framework?

If the finance is not there to pay wages under current productivity and financial forecasts,

What other option does Royal Mail have as a business to survive and pay wages??
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Post by parforthewalk »

chrisj wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 05:58
What exactly do you think they are doing - building the business up and diversifying because the letter business had run its course. The unit cost of delivering letters is not coming down (going up with everything else including wages) and the revenue from letters are down because the volumes have been dropping for decades.

They have been gradually not making enough on letters for decades but it might have gone into Red; parcels are subsidising the whole business but even those will reach optimum.

It is a hard business to run and manage as it is, then add intransigent workforce and an archaic Union...

The status quo of pre-privatisation cannot be returned to; even then the profit was not mega compared to the revenue.

Who will buy such an handicap of a business and who will run it without wanting mega mega salary and bonuses? The government certainly will not want to run it but they need a good and (profitable) postal service as a going concern - it is in the national interest!

Royal mail can just sit tight - continue the executive actions and watch the CWU implode and lose members or given the boot off the shop floor.

Strikes - so what? We have had those and unless they call for many days or a full week - it will not achieve much and a lot might not even take part.

RM should call their bluff and impose a pay deal from next financial year!
Just to make a point regarding your first couple of paragraphs concerning letters.

RM still makes 40% of earnings/profits from letters :shock:

Thompson I believe stated this & yet still bemoaned this fact in the courier recently.