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Martin Walsh has provided an update 24/3.

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CRIBMAD wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 17:07
How much redundancy will I get if my company goes into administration?
For each full year you've worked for your employer, you get: up to age 22 - half a week's pay. age 22 to 40 - 1 week's pay. age 41 and older - 1.5 weeks' pay.

that's 10k for me so either way i'm not bothered (although i realise its not great for the young ones - sorry )
It should be noted in the case of be made redundant as part of a company going into administration your redundancy payment would be registered as a debt owed by the company.

What you would be due under statutory redundancy terms and what you actually get would be dependent on a number of factors.
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CRIBMAD wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 19:17
enskied wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 18:55
Wtf are they doing now?
serving notice next week for strikes ! just put up on cwu facebook
Any more evidence of this?
I don't have Facebook.
Thanks.
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CamPostie
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A further curious issue with RM being put into administration is what would happen to stamps which RM have issued.

They are in themselves a financial instrument - they hold a monetary value - and they act as a forward payment towards a future service to be provided.

Just this aspect alone would make any form of administration vastly complex and I would suggest, makes it nigh on impossible for any government to allow RM to go into liquidation.
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How realistic is RM going Into Administration? Laymen terms much appreciated :wave :Boo hoo!
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redlen wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:24
You mean minimum staffing levels?

Royal Mail has been understaffed for years yet suddenly let staff go with VR coming up to a new financial year?

Does not compute

Am of the opinion come April 1st Royal Mail will go nuclear

As they say, you have seen nothing yet
Heard this phrase a million times "go nuclear" sounds so bad so please explain how nuclear are we talking do I say goodbye to the wife n kids on the 1st of April and say I'm on 24/7 for the next 2 months don't wait up...I'm sorry but all this over the top talkin does my head in.
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Ask yourself what has happened to all previous state run industries after they were privatised?
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needadvice wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:04
How realistic is RM going Into Administration? Laymen terms much appreciated :wave :Boo hoo!
Very unlikely in my mind

• There are lots of shareholders including hedge and pension funds.
• Company has lots of property assets of value
• Companies heritage / national importance
• Would be highly embarrassing for the government
• Administration would cost the executive and board their jobs and reputation
• In theory it could be one of the most complex administrations ever seen - stamps being a particular issue

However - Thompson did load the company with debt to fund the parcel hubs I believe and interest rates keep rising - so that might be the problem.
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CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:34
needadvice wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:04
How realistic is RM going Into Administration? Laymen terms much appreciated :wave :Boo hoo!
Very unlikely in my mind

• There are lots of shareholders including hedge and pension funds.
• Company has lots of property assets of value
• Companies heritage / national importance
• Would be highly embarrassing for the government
• Administration would cost the executive and board their jobs and reputation
• In theory it could be one of the most complex administrations ever seen - stamps being a particular issue

However - Thompson did load the company with debt to fund the parcel hubs I believe and interest rates keep rising - so that might be the problem.
Let's hope you are right :)
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You also have the problem with banks at the moment and liquidity.

There are not that many banks with the sort of capital that Royal Mail needs to borrow.
With interest rates going up servicing that debt will be a major headache.
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I can see a 3rd ballot being needed. December all out
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postieblueshirt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:10
redlen wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:24
You mean minimum staffing levels?

Royal Mail has been understaffed for years yet suddenly let staff go with VR coming up to a new financial year?

Does not compute

Am of the opinion come April 1st Royal Mail will go nuclear

As they say, you have seen nothing yet
Heard this phrase a million times "go nuclear" sounds so bad so please explain how nuclear are we talking do I say goodbye to the wife n kids on the 1st of April and say I'm on 24/7 for the next 2 months don't wait up...I'm sorry but all this over the top talkin does my head in.
Dont forget ''Czech mate'' - his other favourite
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Post by guardianangel »

CamPostie wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 20:24
CRIBMAD wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 17:07
How much redundancy will I get if my company goes into administration?
For each full year you've worked for your employer, you get: up to age 22 - half a week's pay. age 22 to 40 - 1 week's pay. age 41 and older - 1.5 weeks' pay.

that's 10k for me so either way i'm not bothered (although i realise its not great for the young ones - sorry )
It should be noted in the case of be made redundant as part of a company going into administration your redundancy payment would be registered as a debt owed by the company.

What you would be due under statutory redundancy terms and what you actually get would be dependent on a number of factors.
You can claim 8 weeks pay from the redundancy payments service backed by the government
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Re: Martin Walsh has provided an update 24/3.

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redlen wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 21:38
You also have the problem with banks at the moment and liquidity.

There are not that many banks with the sort of capital that Royal Mail needs to borrow.
With interest rates going up servicing that debt will be a major headache.
RM has already borrowed the money (or has the credit facility) - but it needs to service the repayments and maintain it’s creditors confidence it can continue to do that.

Just checked last years accounts - Thompson almost doubled the companies net debt to £985 million (from £457).

If you go with Thompson’s claims then at least £365 million has been added to that this financial year.

Hmmmm!
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With existing debt to equity ratio outstanding, Banks will be even more unwilling to lend
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Things just don't add up with the way the business is run. They said we're losing a million a day, but at the same time give themselves and managers free money (bonuses).

Failing the USO on a daily basis, understaffed, but handing out overtime like confetti. Share price has been stagnant over the past year, so no fear in the market of it been dropping over the past couple of months.

If the ship is really sinking get me off and show me the island with the buried treasure, cause I don't believe Simon & co would destroy the company or would they.