With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
Not since the early 90s! Most delivery dont get out until 9.30am or later.
That was the last time I worked on deliveries, nobody ever complained about working in the dark then.
Collection drivers work in the dark at the moment and I haven't heard them complain either.
I wish people would just be honest rather than trying to come up with pathetic reasons not to finish later.
Most people don't want to change their hours because it suits their lifestyle.
Well delivering in the dark back then wasnt for long,30 to 45 mins and then it got lighter. Collections in the dark whilst I've no doubt has it issues is hardly the same as walking the streets in the dark
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
Not since the early 90s! Most delivery dont get out until 9.30am or later.
That was the last time I worked on deliveries, nobody ever complained about working in the dark then.
Collection drivers work in the dark at the moment and I haven't heard them complain either.
I wish people would just be honest rather than trying to come up with pathetic reasons not to finish later.
Most people don't want to change their hours because it suits their lifestyle.
Well delivering in the dark back then wasnt for long,30 to 45 mins and then it got lighter. Collections in the dark whilst I've no doubt has it issues is hardly the same as walking the streets in the dark
Collection drivers must work in a( different type of darkness, )the none hazardous kind.
I used to deliver Milk in the dark when I was a kid, I honestly don't know what's happened to the people in this Country but they have gone soft.
And here's you mentioning before me, ner ner
It's called sarcasm, you know as well as I do that Collection drivers work in the dark without any problems or complaints.
I didn't know that so many delivery staff suffered from Nyctophobia, I bet Royal Mail haven't accounted for this development.
Here's your quote "Yes that's what I was getting at, the different types of darkness "
Let's see we have .....
Dark night
Dark and stormy nights
Calm dark night
Lord of Darkness
The dark side without cookies
The dark force with cookies extra chocolate
Forgot to pay electricity bill darkness
Dark side of the moon
The Prince of darkness
Voldemort
Dark dispair
Six of Nine loves Seven of Nine, together in Electric Dreams.
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
Not since the early 90s! Most delivery dont get out until 9.30am or later.
That was the last time I worked on deliveries, nobody ever complained about working in the dark then.
Collection drivers work in the dark at the moment and I haven't heard them complain either.
I wish people would just be honest rather than trying to come up with pathetic reasons not to finish later.
Most people don't want to change their hours because it suits their lifestyle.
Well delivering in the dark back then wasnt for long,30 to 45 mins and then it got lighter. Collections in the dark whilst I've no doubt has it issues is hardly the same as walking the streets in the dark
Collection drivers must work in a( different type of darkness, )the none hazardous kind.
I used to deliver Milk in the dark when I was a kid, I honestly don't know what's happened to the people in this Country but they have gone soft.
And here's you mentioning before me, ner ner
It's called sarcasm, you know as well as I do that Collection drivers work in the dark without any problems or complaints.
I didn't know that so many delivery staff suffered from Nyctophobia, I bet Royal Mail haven't accounted for this development.
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
Not since the early 90s! Most delivery dont get out until 9.30am or later.
That was the last time I worked on deliveries, nobody ever complained about working in the dark then.
Collection drivers work in the dark at the moment and I haven't heard them complain either.
I wish people would just be honest rather than trying to come up with pathetic reasons not to finish later.
Most people don't want to change their hours because it suits their lifestyle.
This is the kind of post that gets on my t*ts. Someone who admits they haven't been on delivery in a very long time and doesn't understand what delivery entails at the moment and the added workload since they last did the job. Somebody that doesn't understand what the average postie does just like the public. I've done many different jobs within RM and delivery at night is my least favourite for many reasons as it's quite stressful even in areas that I've known for years. Fixed point collections was a cake walk compared with delivery.
Night work is an example of when you will be offered an occupational health assessment. Currently if you are offered a job as a night worker, the government has mandated that you must be offered a free occupational health assessment. You don’t have to accept this offer, but they are definitely useful when considering the ways in which night work will affect your own health. Currently Royal Mail has a duty of care to both your physical and mental health.
Oh, why would you be offered an occupational health assessment? Maybe because it's a far more dangerous time to drive, especially when you've already been working for 3 or 4 hours for example? More stressful? sometimes you can't see a thing because it's raining hard and there's no street lights? Sometimes you step out of the van and expect hard ground but it's a puddle of mud and oil that you slip in? So many more reasons but I think that will do. Do you think health and safety consider these to be pathetic reasons? Seriously you need to think before you post the crap you come up with.
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
Not since the early 90s! Most delivery dont get out until 9.30am or later.
That was the last time I worked on deliveries, nobody ever complained about working in the dark then.
Collection drivers work in the dark at the moment and I haven't heard them complain either.
I wish people would just be honest rather than trying to come up with pathetic reasons not to finish later.
Most people don't want to change their hours because it suits their lifestyle.
This is the kind of post that gets on my t*ts. Someone who admits they haven't been on delivery in a very long time and doesn't understand what delivery entails at the moment and the added workload since they last did the job. Somebody that doesn't understand what the average postie does just like the public. I've done many different jobs within RM and delivery at night is my least favourite for many reasons as it's quite stressful even in areas that I've known for years. Fixed point collections was a cake walk compared with delivery.
Night work is an example of when you will be offered an occupational health assessment. Currently if you are offered a job as a night worker, the government has mandated that you must be offered a free occupational health assessment. You don’t have to accept this offer, but they are definitely useful when considering the ways in which night work will affect your own health. Currently Royal Mail has a duty of care to both your physical and mental health.
Oh, why would you be offered an occupational health assessment? Maybe because it's a far more dangerous time to drive, especially when you've already been working for 3 or 4 hours for example? More stressful? sometimes you can't see a thing because it's raining hard and there's no street lights? Sometimes you step out of the van and expect hard ground but it's a puddle of mud and oil that you slip in? So many more reasons but I think that will do. Do you think health and safety consider these to be pathetic reasons? Seriously you need to think before you post the crap you come up with.
Spot on with that reply, the previous posts on the subject got right on my tits as well.
Until you have did a modern day RM delivery then you know nothing milly
Stick to your lane
You will be working in the dark at sometime in the future just like Amazon, Evri and DPD etc have to now whether you like it or not.
Only if we lose the dispute. Later starts are one of the biggest sticking points. Heaven forbid it comes in but if it does me and a few others will walk away from the job.
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
In the past yes.
And I’m not talking about walking about the streets under street lamps and such.
It’s the long driveways where there are no lighting. Where you could trip and bang your head and become unconscious and not be seen until the resident wakes up in the morning.
For example, one house on my old walk was a beach house. To get to it you had to climb down about 30 steps. No lighting. There was a rail and when you got to the property the security light came on. But if you collapsed or tripped there you wouldn’t be found for ages and I bet the managers won’t be hanging about the office checking everyone’s locations.
My question really was if you were to fall in an unlit area would Royal Mail say “ah well you are responsible for risk assessment etc so it’s on you.”
Or can you say “I did a risk assessment and it wasn’t safe.”
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
In the past yes.
And I’m not talking about walking about the streets under street lamps and such.
It’s the long driveways where there are no lighting. Where you could trip and bang your head and become unconscious and not be seen until the resident wakes up in the morning.
For example, one house on my old walk was a beach house. To get to it you had to climb down about 30 steps. No lighting. There was a rail and when you got to the property the security light came on. But if you collapsed or tripped there you wouldn’t be found for ages and I bet the managers won’t be hanging about the office checking everyone’s locations.
My question really was if you were to fall in an unlit area would Royal Mail say “ah well you are responsible for risk assessment etc so it’s on you.”
Or can you say “I did a risk assessment and it wasn’t safe.”
After reading that I have the upmost respect for the Milkmen of the past who had to negotiate all of those hazards whilst carrying glass bottles.
With later starts and working in the dark …. Where would we stand in refusing to walk down unlit driveways? Even with a torch you can’t see low lying branches, or potholes or even dogs.
Or blocks of flats where the lighting inside doesn’t work etc
And with warmer summers predicted a lot of days we may not be delivering anyway if it’s too hot. This year the manager allowed us to come in early so we could be finished by noon. That wouldn’t be possible if we don’t start until 9.
Do you not have to work in the dark on an early start also?
In the past yes.
And I’m not talking about walking about the streets under street lamps and such.
It’s the long driveways where there are no lighting. Where you could trip and bang your head and become unconscious and not be seen until the resident wakes up in the morning.
For example, one house on my old walk was a beach house. To get to it you had to climb down about 30 steps. No lighting. There was a rail and when you got to the property the security light came on. But if you collapsed or tripped there you wouldn’t be found for ages and I bet the managers won’t be hanging about the office checking everyone’s locations.
My question really was if you were to fall in an unlit area would Royal Mail say “ah well you are responsible for risk assessment etc so it’s on you.”
Or can you say “I did a risk assessment and it wasn’t safe.”
I'd go with your last remark, a bit like if theres a dog, I have like others taken the odd chance when a dogs been out, tough s**t if it goes wrong and your manager would probably say like wise. So in the end the risk assessment is down to us
At the moment most managers have gone home by say 2pm with a good number of staff still out delivering. If there are later starts so finishes will be in the dusk or dark, these managers will surely have to stay under H&S laws? Is there not a duty of care? I assume they will do a rota and will monitor SISO to ensure they can account for everyone plus having the person's mobile number in case they need to check on them. Interesting.
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