It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Exactly which aspects of the proposed changes would ''wreck the business'?
It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Exactly which aspects of the proposed changes would ''wreck the business'?
If you need to ask that question then you haven't been paying attention .
It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Exactly which aspects of the proposed changes would ''wreck the business'?
If you need to ask that question then you haven't been paying attention .
Priority, what they want you to do isn't a reasonable request, coming in early isn't, missing meal brakes isn't, not doing overtime isn't, coming back with mail if you tell them before leaving isn't and they can check your PDA to see that you've not just stopped for half an hour, a work to rule is simple that stick to the rules, if we all do the job properly they'd be crapping themselves, our unity is our strength and trust me that is the thing little joe 90 and his cronies fear the most and want to actively dismantle and if we let them we lose, so just stick together yes the company didn't care about Christmas they wrote that off like nothing cos the goal for them is the destruction of the union that's what this is about and we have to show them we're not giving it up, by action supported is a blow against them, united we stand divided we fall it really is that simple
Cod, I agree with you entirely in that what is happening is completely out of order, however, this onslaught is not going to stop, and anyone who thinks things will go back to how they were if an agreement is reached seriously need to give their heads a wobble.
IF, and WHEN, an agreement is reached, believe you me any such agreement will only last until the next pay talks when back they will come wanting even more from the workforce to fund the pay increase, and so the whole toxic process starts again.
You are a bloody long time dead, life is too short to put yourself through this mental aggravation day in day out, when posties who have got out after over 30 years are saying it's the best thing they did - you need to take that on board!
The CWU meeting with the board of Royal Mail isn't happening until sometime in January.
This government meeting about the USO isn't happening until mid January.
Do Royal Mail need to know if they can go down to a 5 day letters service before they can make any agreements with the Union. If it was granted - we are understaffed anyway so in my eyes we shouldn't need to lose staff if that happens....but it ain't up to me.
Give people a few weeks to build up some cash, then go for weekly 2 day strikes, or maybe Sat/ Mon for a few weeks, something like that.
We can't leave it until the new ballot, but I'm worried that's what the union will do.
I concur. I think they're going to give us a chance to get some cash behind us again, and then the 2 days will commence. I don't think the union will allow momentum to ebb.
Momentum is now lost imho.. how do you mean get some cash behind us..if you mean ot cant see much going an people living on a flat week with a strike day or 2 thrown in will simply give up.
I mean even a couple of full weeks, with some O/T (or not), gives some breathing space, and allows people to catch up a bit, I include myself in this. I'm not sure how momentum has been lost when we were literally on strike on Saturday. Its been 5 days. As soon as normality returns and the CWU do a live feed, things will pick up again.
Nothing was every gonna happen in between Christmas and New Year, ST will be in a ski lodge somewhere, as will all the shareholders. He can barely turn up, for negotiations, on a normal working day, nevermind over the Christmas holiday period.
It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Right from the start it's been laid out that this will be a long drawn out dispute. The fact has never been danced around, and has been in plain sight, yet people have repeatedly chosen to insist on believing Christmas is the only leverage we have, it's not and never was. DW even said the words, "We'll strike till next Christmas." December is one month, and from RM's point of view, there's another 11 equally important ones. The only leverage we have is long-term disruption, that's is damaging to any business, in any sector. It can't be sustained, and will eventually lead to some sort of deal being brokered, that is acceptable to members.
ST is relying on everyone giving up. He'll not do a thing till the next ballot. Why would he? He's gonna see how it falls, and I bet he's banking on it being a low turnout, and, at worst, a borderline 'yes' vote.
*edit* by not do a thing, I meant serious talks or offers.
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Can’t see anything other than most of this being in place before another ballot even takes place, really difficult to see anything positive ahead, everything is in place for the Royal Mail to completely go down the toilet. Fingers crossed whatever the pay rise it will be back dated as a good will gesture
You honestly expecting a good will gesture
we got the stamps and xmas bonus - which surprised me
It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Right from the start it's been laid out that this will be a long drawn out dispute. The fact has never been danced around, and has been in plain sight, yet people have repeatedly chosen to insist on believing Christmas is the only leverage we have, it's not and never was. DW even said the words, "We'll strike till next Christmas." December is one month, and from RM's point of view, there's another 11 equally important ones. The only leverage we have is long-term disruption, that's is damaging to any business, in any sector. It can't be sustained, and will eventually lead to some sort of deal being brokered, that is acceptable to members.
ST is relying on everyone giving up. He'll not do a thing till the next ballot. Why would he? He's gonna see how it falls, and I bet he's banking on it being a low turnout, and, at worst, a borderline 'yes' vote.
It wouldn't be a bad CWU strategy to let RM bring in some of the executive changes - enough to rile the workforce and then have a ballot when members are sufficiently angered to vote yes
What will happen is people will get pissed off and leave. Simple as that. It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office. Throw in more two day strike days and you're on less wages than Aldi. You can't plan your whole life on uncertainty, rumours and gossip. It's not the worst Job in the world and it's certainly not the best.
Exactly, hang around and hope for the best or plan ahead and jump this ship, a lot on here selfishly pushing an agenda with hopes of getting the golden EVR handshake under the guise of “solidarity” doesn’t wash with me
The CWU meeting with the board of Royal Mail isn't happening until sometime in January.
This government meeting about the USO isn't happening until mid January.
Do Royal Mail need to know if they can go down to a 5 day letters service before they can make any agreements with the Union. If it was granted - we are understaffed anyway so in my eyes we shouldn't need to lose staff if that happens....but it ain't up to me.
Grant Snapps has already given the Government decision that the 6 day service remains, the meeting in January is just a discussion about the Royal Mail and will have no bearing on the USO.
I doubt the CWU's meeting with the Board is going to lead to any major changes if DK is behind the present hard line the company is taking with the CWU.
