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Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

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milly
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by milly »

sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
Too generous ffs :arrrghhh

If it's so generous, why do so few people come here compared to most other countries?

If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous? Could you build a decent new life with your family with that pittance?

Honestly, how decent people have had their brains completely fried by racist propaganda over the years is so depressing.

You people know that Farage, Murdoch, the Tories,the Mail etc are laughing at you? They want you punching down so you don't blame them for our problems.You're pathetic little useful idiots to them.

Give your heads a bloody wobble.
How many more shall we take and for how long?
I'm sure there are millions of people who would like to live here.
Have you a number in mind for the ideal population of the UK 90 million or a 100 million perhaps.
Where do we find the energy resources to support these extra people?
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by rambo1 »

Murdoch wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:15
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
Too generous ffs :arrrghhh

If it's so generous, why do so few people come here compared to most other countries?

If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous? Could you build a decent new life with your family with that pittance?

Honestly, how decent people have had their brains completely fried by racist propaganda over the years is so depressing.

You people know that Farage, Murdoch, the Tories,the Mail etc are laughing at you? They want you punching down so you don't blame them for our problems.You're pathetic little useful idiots to them.

Give your heads a bloody wobble.
The honest answer is so few people come to us, because we're an island off mainland Europe. And you're supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country you reach, we're harder to get to.

Also, none of what you posted applies to me. I just think we have a generous system, objectively I think we do.

As it should be. Why is it not a generous system for refugees in your opinion?
Same here. Not brainwashed by anyone. I have my own mind and clearly stated that I didn't vote for Brexit. Our benefit system full stop, is too generous, not just to illegal immigrants.
mjd24
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by mjd24 »

rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 21:45
mjd24 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 21:41
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 20:34
clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
Do you not think theyd rather have a job and enjoy some fulfilment as well as earning a decent living?

Or their dream of England is to come and doss about and live in abject poverty in some random town?
I've got a friend who has a house in France. He can't even go stay at his own house 6 months a yr. Why the hell should anyone have a automatic right to all the things you say? I was against Brexit btw.
:Boo hoo!
rambo1
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by rambo1 »

mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:02
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 21:45
mjd24 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 21:41
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 20:34
clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
Do you not think theyd rather have a job and enjoy some fulfilment as well as earning a decent living?

Or their dream of England is to come and doss about and live in abject poverty in some random town?
I've got a friend who has a house in France. He can't even go stay at his own house 6 months a yr. Why the hell should anyone have a automatic right to all the things you say? I was against Brexit btw.
:Boo hoo!
Don't know quite what you mean by that but I guess it's not genuine. He's a self employed plumber, worked bloody hard for it, now thanks to Brexit he can't spend time there whenever he wants, or go to live there.
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by Foxel »

RTP wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 12:06
They should be taxing those that were furloughed an extra 2% or so. . If they were furloughed for two years then they should be paying that extra tax for 2yrs. If it was for 1yr then they pay for 1yr and so forth.
What a stupid idea. Over-tax those that through no fault of their own already earned 20% less. Sounds like a 1st class Tory policy. As someone who was made to go on furlough, then was made redundant before jumping at the chance to work for RM and now earns less then people doing the same job. Sure that's fair.

And where would that extra tax go, certainly not back to the tax payer probably to feckless CEO to waste on a contact for friends Hello Simon).
I'm turning purple!
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by Tman »

sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
mjd24
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by mjd24 »

Tman wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:59
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
Surely the true answer is somewhere in the middle; many are what we would define as asylum seekers and some are economic migrants.

The real puzzlement to many of us is why so many people get so worked up and angry about either of these things.

Been said so many times but immigrants are such an easy target when in reality their actions have no real consequence to the lives of us already living in this country.
milly
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by milly »

mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 10:45
Tman wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:59
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
Surely the true answer is somewhere in the middle; many are what we would define as asylum seekers and some are economic migrants.

The real puzzlement to many of us is why so many people get so worked up and angry about either of these things.

Been said so many times but immigrants are such an easy target when in reality their actions have no real consequence to the lives of us already living in this country.
Your tax free allowance is going to frozen for the next few years so that stealth tax will help to fund them.
So it does affect your life you just don't connect the dots.
mjd24
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by mjd24 »

milly wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 11:04
mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 10:45
Tman wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:59
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
Surely the true answer is somewhere in the middle; many are what we would define as asylum seekers and some are economic migrants.

The real puzzlement to many of us is why so many people get so worked up and angry about either of these things.

Been said so many times but immigrants are such an easy target when in reality their actions have no real consequence to the lives of us already living in this country.
Your tax free allowance is going to frozen for the next few years so that stealth tax will help to fund them.
So it does affect your life you just don't connect the dots.
And when many of them get jobs their frozen tax free allowance will help to fund your . . .
milly
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by milly »

mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 13:28
milly wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 11:04
mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 10:45
Tman wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:59
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
Surely the true answer is somewhere in the middle; many are what we would define as asylum seekers and some are economic migrants.

The real puzzlement to many of us is why so many people get so worked up and angry about either of these things.

Been said so many times but immigrants are such an easy target when in reality their actions have no real consequence to the lives of us already living in this country.
Your tax free allowance is going to frozen for the next few years so that stealth tax will help to fund them.
So it does affect your life you just don't connect the dots.
And when many of them get jobs their frozen tax free allowance will help to fund your . . .
Why would they get a job!
Work doesn't pay any longer, have you not seen todays budget?
N|M
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by N|M »

milly wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:00
mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 13:28
milly wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 11:04
mjd24 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 10:45
Tman wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:59
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous?
Seems like you win the "Net naivety award of the day" for that little gem.
Just call them "economic migrants" and be truthful about it.
Surely the true answer is somewhere in the middle; many are what we would define as asylum seekers and some are economic migrants.

The real puzzlement to many of us is why so many people get so worked up and angry about either of these things.

Been said so many times but immigrants are such an easy target when in reality their actions have no real consequence to the lives of us already living in this country.
Your tax free allowance is going to frozen for the next few years so that stealth tax will help to fund them.
So it does affect your life you just don't connect the dots.
And when many of them get jobs their frozen tax free allowance will help to fund your . . .
Why would they get a job!
Work doesn't pay any longer, have you not seen todays budget?
Today's budget - Benefits and pensions 10.1% increase - is that now the starting point for any wage increase ? (pensions i understand, but why increase benefits ?)

Overall there is a lot of doom and gloom in the budget but at least the tax on EV made me laugh a little
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by RTP »

Foxel wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 08:23
RTP wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 12:06
They should be taxing those that were furloughed an extra 2% or so. . If they were furloughed for two years then they should be paying that extra tax for 2yrs. If it was for 1yr then they pay for 1yr and so forth.
What a stupid idea. Over-tax those that through no fault of their own already earned 20% less. Sounds like a 1st class Tory policy. As someone who was made to go on furlough, then was made redundant before jumping at the chance to work for RM and now earns less then people doing the same job. Sure that's fair.

And where would that extra tax go, certainly not back to the tax payer probably to feckless CEO to waste on a contact for friends Hello Simon).
Fact is you were paid a wage for watching netflix while the rest of us grafted throughout the pandemic. I see you say that you joined RM later so you have no idea what it was like in the early days of covid when we were all s**t scared to touch gateposts and door handles with no sanitizer available. When there were more pushbikes on the road through the furloughed brigade than there were cars. My next door neighbour works for himself. Told me he could easily have worked, but furloughed himself so he could sit on his arse and get paid.
So yes you should pay a bit more tax for the time you were furloughed.
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by RTP »

And think who worked to pay your furlough. It was us key workers.
Foxel
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by Foxel »

RTP wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 17:29
Fact is you were paid a wage for watching netflix while the rest of us grafted throughout the pandemic. I see you say that you joined RM later so you have no idea what it was like in the early days of covid when we were all s**t scared to touch gateposts and door handles with no sanitizer available. When there were more pushbikes on the road through the furloughed brigade than there were cars. My next door neighbour works for himself. Told me he could easily have worked, but furloughed himself so he could sit on his arse and get paid.
So yes you should pay a bit more tax for the time you were furloughed.
Full of assumptions aren't you.

I never chose to be furloughed. I never chose to be made redundant. I could have sat on job seekers. I chose a frontline role. I worked hard for RM during the pandemic. I supported family members who worked in the NHS and family members who got very ill. I earned a lot less money through no fault of my own so you can stick your 2% up your entitled letterbox.
I'm turning purple!