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Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

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mjd24
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

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Milly, whats your view on UK ex pats living in France, Spain etc etc?
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

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milly wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:21
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:18
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 15:03
sindba wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 16:28
"In my book". Lol. Wonder what book that is? My First Pop-Up Book of Racism?

It's law. Your "book" is irrelevant.
How is it racism? Think they're just saying what many people think, that is, why when they were in France,do they want to risk their lives coming here? Illegally.
They can legally claim asylum in any country. Once they do that, they are not here illegally.

We take far fewer asylum seekers per capita than most countries, including European countries.

Countries bordering unsafe countries, inevitably, bear most burden. Some can't even cope.

We should take our fair share because we can cope. The only reason anyone could possibly object to doing our fair share is if someone simply doesn't like brown foreigners (or they've swallowed racist propaganda by the likes of Farage, Rupert Murdoch or the Daily Mail).
How many do we take? And for how long?
There's millions of people who would like to come here.
How many do you think we should take? None? If that's your view fair enough, if it's not then you just go round in circles with this argument.
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milly wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:21
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:18
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 15:03
sindba wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 16:28
"In my book". Lol. Wonder what book that is? My First Pop-Up Book of Racism?

It's law. Your "book" is irrelevant.
How is it racism? Think they're just saying what many people think, that is, why when they were in France,do they want to risk their lives coming here? Illegally.
They can legally claim asylum in any country. Once they do that, they are not here illegally.

We take far fewer asylum seekers per capita than most countries, including European countries.

Countries bordering unsafe countries, inevitably, bear most burden. Some can't even cope.

We should take our fair share because we can cope. The only reason anyone could possibly object to doing our fair share is if someone simply doesn't like brown foreigners (or they've swallowed racist propaganda by the likes of Farage, Rupert Murdoch or the Daily Mail).
How many do we take? And for how long?
There's millions of people who would like to come here.
Well, Germany takes 23 refugee applicantions per 10,000 population. France takes 18. So maybe something along those lines?

UK takes 8 per 10,000.

Cyrprus, btw, takes 153.
milly
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by milly »

sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:32
milly wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:21
sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:18
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 15:03
sindba wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 16:28
"In my book". Lol. Wonder what book that is? My First Pop-Up Book of Racism?

It's law. Your "book" is irrelevant.
How is it racism? Think they're just saying what many people think, that is, why when they were in France,do they want to risk their lives coming here? Illegally.
They can legally claim asylum in any country. Once they do that, they are not here illegally.

We take far fewer asylum seekers per capita than most countries, including European countries.

Countries bordering unsafe countries, inevitably, bear most burden. Some can't even cope.

We should take our fair share because we can cope. The only reason anyone could possibly object to doing our fair share is if someone simply doesn't like brown foreigners (or they've swallowed racist propaganda by the likes of Farage, Rupert Murdoch or the Daily Mail).
How many do we take? And for how long?
There's millions of people who would like to come here.
Well, Germany takes 23 refugee applicantions per 10,000 population. France takes 18. So maybe something along those lines?

UK takes 8 per 10,000.

Cyrprus, btw, takes 153.
So what!
How many and for how long should we take in these people?
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Top 10 Countries Hosting the Highest Number of International Refugees (mid-2021 data):
Turkey — 3,696,831
Jordan — 3,027,729
Uganda — 1,475,311
Pakistan — 1,438,523
Lebanon — 1,338,197
Germany — 1,235,160
Sudan — 1,068,339
Bangladesh — 889,775
Iran — 800,025
Ethiopia — 782,896

UK
According to UNHCR statistics, as of mid-2021 there were 135,912 refugees

42% of refugees are under 18 years of age.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by Seymour Buts »

clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:34
Top 10 Countries Hosting the Highest Number of International Refugees (mid-2021 data):
Turkey — 3,696,831
Jordan — 3,027,729
Uganda — 1,475,311
Pakistan — 1,438,523
Lebanon — 1,338,197
Germany — 1,235,160
Sudan — 1,068,339
Bangladesh — 889,775
Iran — 800,025
Ethiopia — 782,896

UK
According to UNHCR statistics, as of mid-2021 there were 135,912 refugees

42% of refugees are under 18 years of age.
While I don't agree with Milly, that's misleading comparing it to the situation now. Between Afgan, Hong Kong, Ukraine and now the amount crossing by boat there has been an enormous rise in those claiming asylum here. The system simply cannot cope with the huge incase in applications is one of the reasons all this is happening.
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mjd24 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 16:03
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 15:03
sindba wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 16:28
"In my book". Lol. Wonder what book that is? My First Pop-Up Book of Racism?

It's law. Your "book" is irrelevant.
How is it racism? Think they're just saying what many people think, that is, why when they were in France,do they want to risk their lives coming here? Illegally.
Why do you think they do? What is their motivation do you think?
Probably they hear of our generous benefits system. I for one wouldn't choose to live in this shxt hole of a country. Do you realise btw just how many come to use our already overstretched nhs to have their babies? for one example.
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Post by clashcityrocker »

rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Too generous , What do the homeless on the street get ,
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by rambo1 »

clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
mjd24
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by mjd24 »

rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 20:34
clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
Do you not think theyd rather have a job and enjoy some fulfilment as well as earning a decent living?

Or their dream of England is to come and doss about and live in abject poverty in some random town?
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Re: Minimum Wage to rise by 9.5%

Post by rambo1 »

mjd24 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 21:41
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 20:34
clashcityrocker wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:46
rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 19:12


Probably they hear of our generous benefits system.
Asylum seeker benefits:

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Generous?
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
Do you not think theyd rather have a job and enjoy some fulfilment as well as earning a decent living?

Or their dream of England is to come and doss about and live in abject poverty in some random town?
I've got a friend who has a house in France. He can't even go stay at his own house 6 months a yr. Why the hell should anyone have a automatic right to all the things you say? I was against Brexit btw.
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rambo1 wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 20:34
Quite honestly, yes, I think so.
I agree. Housing provided, 40 odd quid a week per person for food etc (for first 28 days). Instant access to Free Healthcare, and Free education.

Then access to our full benefit system after that first 28 days.

Wherever you stand on this, that is a generous system.
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Post by sindba »

Too generous ffs :arrrghhh

If it's so generous, why do so few people come here compared to most other countries?

If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous? Could you build a decent new life with your family with that pittance?

Honestly, how decent people have had their brains completely fried by racist propaganda over the years is so depressing.

You people know that Farage, Murdoch, the Tories,the Mail etc are laughing at you? They want you punching down so you don't blame them for our problems.You're pathetic little useful idiots to them.

Give your heads a bloody wobble.
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sindba wrote:
16 Nov 2022, 22:08
Too generous ffs :arrrghhh

If it's so generous, why do so few people come here compared to most other countries?

If you were fleeing war or torture, as most of these people are, would you think it was too generous? Could you build a decent new life with your family with that pittance?

Honestly, how decent people have had their brains completely fried by racist propaganda over the years is so depressing.

You people know that Farage, Murdoch, the Tories,the Mail etc are laughing at you? They want you punching down so you don't blame them for our problems.You're pathetic little useful idiots to them.

Give your heads a bloody wobble.
The honest answer is so few people come to us, because we're an island off mainland Europe. And you're supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country you reach, we're harder to get to.

Also, none of what you posted applies to me. I just think we have a generous system, objectively I think we do.

As it should be. Why is it not a generous system for refugees in your opinion?