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WTF is going on

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worktotime
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Re: WTF is going on

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Rommagic wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:19
Pec meeting at 10.30 tomorrow?.
lets hope they remember to serve notice for the next 48 hr strikes with the 14 day notice , 30th Nov - 1st Dec . lets not f**k that up . :thumbup
Slim2none
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Re: WTF is going on

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Bloody hell Wacko you're a ray of sunshine aren't you. Always doing down the current workforce and bigging up the firm. How many years have your ex colleagues been celebrating you leaving?!
parforthewalk
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Re: WTF is going on

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woofwoof wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:29
Looks like someone sold £4 million worth of shares at 16:35, must be going well
No doubt our Czech mate has filled his boots..His 30% end game nudges closer by the day :nervous :cry
Murdoch
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Re: WTF is going on

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:21
Acca Dacca wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 15:38
The CWU wont be agreeing to reducing the USO to 5 days a week right now ( needs government to do that anyway )
It's not part of the remit of the CWU to agree to a change in the USO.
They have a voice like us all and can make some noise but they don't have a veto... but yes it does need a (surprisingly small) change of legislation which with the wind behind you could be done in a couple of days.

Thankfully the government is busy with its own shitshow right now.
I thought to change the minimum requirements of the USO, OFCOM had to conduct a review, and then give their recommendations to the cabinet minister in charge of OFCOM. I also thought last time they did that, they stuck with the 6 days letter service.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations- ... ion-review
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... tement.pdf

Seems to be locked in till 2027. Unless another review is called. OFCOM's remit is to protect the sustainability of the postal service. They think the status quo should stay in place till 2027.
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Acca Dacca
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Re: WTF is going on

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:21
Acca Dacca wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 15:38
The CWU wont be agreeing to reducing the USO to 5 days a week right now ( needs government to do that anyway )
It's not part of the remit of the CWU to agree to a change in the USO.
They have a voice like us all and can make some noise but they don't have a veto... but yes it does need a (surprisingly small) change of legislation which with the wind behind you could be done in a couple of days.

Thankfully the government is busy with its own shitshow right now.
Yeah I meant agreeing that it would be the right move
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
rambo1
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Re: WTF is going on

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parforthewalk wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:50
woofwoof wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:29
Looks like someone sold £4 million worth of shares at 16:35, must be going well
No doubt our Czech mate has filled his boots..His 30% end game nudges closer by the day :nervous :cry
Just uncrossing trade, not a single sell by one person. Just a broker rounding up a lot of trades.
Woody Guthrie
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Re: WTF is going on

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wacko74 wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:35
Why ''thankfully''?
Thankfully because I selfishly like having a job not what I think the kids now refer to as a side hustle.

Why are you desperate to turn Royal Mail into an "efficient and profitable parcels company"?

The UK already has more than enough of those.

Another DPD clone is hardly an innovative business plan.

I'm out.
Only dead fish follow the current
wacko74
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Re: WTF is going on

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jbo5066 wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:39
wacko74 wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:35

Whenever I hear posties regurgitating the union mantra about ''protecting the service'' that the USO provides it's enough to make me hope that VESA or someone else does take over the company and TUPE them onto lower pay and much reduced T&C's
??😮
Well its either that or no job at all if you want your precious USO ''service'' to be preserved in it's current form.
jbo5066
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Re: WTF is going on

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Was more shocked you hoped Vesa or someone would take over and lower your former colleagues wages and T&C's ...
ICEMAN81
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Re: WTF is going on

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If I was ex royal mail the last thing I'd be doing is spending all my time on royal mail chat
Acca Dacca
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Re: WTF is going on

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^^^^ correct, sad little man

wacko by name wacko by nature
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wacko74
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Re: WTF is going on

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:57
wacko74 wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 17:35
Why ''thankfully''?
Thankfully because I selfishly like having a job not what I think the kids now refer to as a side hustle.

Why are you desperate to turn Royal Mail into an "efficient and profitable parcels company"?

The UK already has more than enough of those.

Another DPD clone is hardly an innovative business plan.

I'm out.
Incredible, you really just don't get it do you.

Quite bizarre that you apparently don't see the need for RM to be an efficient and profitable company and instead think it can carry on indefinitely using anachronistic work practices to provide an increasingly irrelevant ''service''

Delivering barely profitable letters to every address 6 days a week at massive cost which also impacts on the standard of service RM could otherwise offer with the parcel side of the business is an innovative plan is it?

you really having been taking the CWU Kool aid, and we all know where obediently drinking the Kool aid gets you...
Slim2none
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Re: WTF is going on

Post by Slim2none »

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Well its either that or no job at all if you want your precious USO ''service'' to be preserved in it's current form.
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I'm sure you remember that the O in USO is for obligation. That's an obligation to all the people, businesses and services of this country. An obligation! The one condition that the business model should be built around. Everything else the entirety of IDS/RM do is secondary to this. So yeah...precious.
Murdoch
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Re: WTF is going on

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wacko74 wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 18:21
Well its either that or no job at all if you want your precious USO ''service'' to be preserved in it's current form.
We're regulated like a postal service, because we are a postal service.

The minimum requirements of the USO, are locked in by law. If those are to change, it's the regulators job to give that recommendation (and they haven't). They periodically review this, to ensure the financial sustainability of the USO.

Unfortunately for Royal Mail, that's just what you have to deliver if you are the Universal Service Provider. Whether or not it would be more profitable just to ignore that obligation.

I'm sure nobody here thinks that 6 days letters will continue indefinitely. But it's not Royal Mail's call, no matter who runs it or owns it.
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Re: WTF is going on

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Just a pity that no-one treats it as an obligation.