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Unite Agreement includes 7 day working for all

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Re: Unite Agreement includes 7 day working for all

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derricksmyth wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 22:43
posted wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 21:43
So 2% no string
£1000 no strings
3.5% for just agreeing to to talk about/explore 7 day resourcing.
Christ Unite are idiots!!
Assuming COMs are on £40k, that £1k equates to about 2.5% of pay.
There’ll be managers on more than that but it’s flat £1k so proportionally less as a percentage. Also it’s not in perpetuity so you don’t it’s benefit from future pay rises, pension contributions, VR pay etc.
So technically not a pay rise.

I think was it Rolls Royce staff got offered similar large lump sum too. It’s what a lot of employers have done this year (certainly not all), go for a flat one-off payment.
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rambo1 wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 22:46
Minischoles wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 17:34
5.5% and £1000 to be sold out for 7 day working week.

I wonder if all those managers who were so happy to be taking on the CWU will be as happy now they're about to be shafted with weekends.
Not a bad deal really. Don't know why people are so hung up on having to work the occasional Sunday? It's not as if we work mon-fri bow is it? So if you work a Sunday a month, big deal, you get another day in the week off.
No idea but if you are a priest, pastor, senior pastor, assistant pastor, minister, rector, associate rector, elder, director, deacon, youth pastor, or a choir and music director in a church it may be a bit of an inconvenience.
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Cucumber wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 20:52
Compulsory Sunday working is the uncrossable line for most in our office. 95% of us are up to and over time every day so annualised hours/SISO is only feared by a limited few people. Commit to deliver is a red herring.
If RM abolish finish times, you won't be "over your time". You won't have a finish time.

Your manager will tell you how many hours are clocked, no matter how long it actually takes you.

It's not a red herring, it's what RM want, it's there in black and white.
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I think we all realise that Sunday working is what the business needs but everyone is refusing it completely. I don't see the problem in working 1 Sunday out of 5 weeks as already mentioned here as long as its legally binding. To just outright refuse to budge on it is unrealistic
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postieblueshirt wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 23:05
rambo1 wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 22:46
Minischoles wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 17:34
5.5% and £1000 to be sold out for 7 day working week.

I wonder if all those managers who were so happy to be taking on the CWU will be as happy now they're about to be shafted with weekends.
Not a bad deal really. Don't know why people are so hung up on having to work the occasional Sunday? It's not as if we work mon-fri bow is it? So if you work a Sunday a month, big deal, you get another day in the week off.
No idea but if you are a priest, pastor, senior pastor, assistant pastor, minister, rector, associate rector, elder, director, deacon, youth pastor, or a choir and music director in a church it may be a bit of an inconvenience.
Or a parent who relishes the idea of having just one day of the week where they don't have to check their rota/calendar when invited out by friends and family....
Sooner or later, a beat dog bites.
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crimson king wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 05:29
postieblueshirt wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 23:05
rambo1 wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 22:46
Minischoles wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 17:34
5.5% and £1000 to be sold out for 7 day working week.

I wonder if all those managers who were so happy to be taking on the CWU will be as happy now they're about to be shafted with weekends.
Not a bad deal really. Don't know why people are so hung up on having to work the occasional Sunday? It's not as if we work mon-fri bow is it? So if you work a Sunday a month, big deal, you get another day in the week off.
No idea but if you are a priest, pastor, senior pastor, assistant pastor, minister, rector, associate rector, elder, director, deacon, youth pastor, or a choir and music director in a church it may be a bit of an inconvenience.
Or a parent who relishes the idea of having just one day of the week where they don't have to check their rota/calendar when invited out by friends and family....
Yeah my Mrs works three days a week one being a Sunday has done for 20 years that was the case because of the kids I'm lucky my kids are old enough to fend for themselves other people not so lucky.she works the Sunday because I don't.
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noggin1969 wrote:
26 Oct 2022, 18:49
I believe the managers I/A ballot has also lapsed, if they turn down the offer, they'll have to re ballot. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
think it's still valid until late december

https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-even ... onditions/

if rejected it would be interesting to see if the unions would merge in planning further IA, our cons are quite happy doing opg works on our strike days and pretty spineless so i fully expect them to vote yes on the offer
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5.5% £2000 extra a year not bad for a manager

We need 9% to get £2000
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What is a junior and middle manager
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Post by Fannybaws »

Divide and conquer at it's finest and the managers will accept it and lead the rest of the workers like lambs to the slaughter.

Happens every time yet people still think they can suck up to managers to get an "easier" life. :roll:
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claystones wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 12:24
What is a junior and middle manager
Middle manager is EL1/EL2 so shift manager in general, junior manager is a 3 and below.
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People keep mentioning 'legally binding'. The last agreement was legally binding and they've just completely disregarded it, without recourse.
"Just take it out and see how you go......."
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olilew wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 18:43
People keep mentioning 'legally binding'. The last agreement was legally binding and they've just completely disregarded it, without recourse.
They've disregarded it because of the no-strike clause which means they can serve notice on it in the event of national scale industrial action. If they were doing something illegal I'm pretty sure the CWU would be all over it.
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think it was meant to say legally ''blinding''......cos they just turn a blind eye anyway. :roll:
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olilew wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 18:43
People keep mentioning 'legally binding'. The last agreement was legally binding and they've just completely disregarded it, without recourse.
I think parts of it were legally binding.
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