New RM offer

[Frankie15]

Can’t say I’ve read much of the above & have ignored most of CWU rambles, I’m going all out to help Simon destroy Royal Mail, I’ve switched off, they will now get the minimum effort from me, tracked & two loops per day looks like the future, I can handle that, looked @ nursing home in my frame that’s not been out since last Thursday, there’s 15 odd hospital appointment letters & 7 birthday cards, can’t see them going out tomorrow & after the 2 strike days maybe Saturday? Could be Monday or Tuesday, could be dead before they receive them, used to be bothered, now I do not give a flying f**k, Simon do what you f***ing like it no longer matters, I’m sure I speak for 80 90% of the staff? f**k em, life’s to short.

Why would you not make sure the nursing home is delivered??? Fs, you may not give a f**k but come on, catch yourself on!!

Plenty of 'look at me' heroes in this job. Boasting about how they'd let the company burn to the ground. Makes you wonder why they still want to work in the job. What they going to do if an agreement is reached? Switch back on to caring again? Or just carry on not giving a crap? All I can say is I'm glad that's not my van-share partner.

Don't know how it's done in other offices but when I leave stuff in the frame one day that's where I start delivery the next. Surely it's common sense to do the bit you left the day before instead of the same streets over and over again.

Surely it's also common sense to be respectful of the elderly in a nursing home that could be awaiting important hospital letters. I personally would prioritise a nursing home when I was deciding what I was bringing out. And yes you're correct. In our office we are told to take out what wasn't taken the day before. Seems others would prefer to leave the same places for days on end because they couldn't be arsed driving 5 minutes up a road and 5 minutes back again!!!!

[SpacePhoenix]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

[HTPostman]

Can’t say I’ve read much of the above & have ignored most of CWU rambles, I’m going all out to help Simon destroy Royal Mail, I’ve switched off, they will now get the minimum effort from me, tracked & two loops per day looks like the future, I can handle that, looked @ nursing home in my frame that’s not been out since last Thursday, there’s 15 odd hospital appointment letters & 7 birthday cards, can’t see them going out tomorrow & after the 2 strike days maybe Saturday? Could be Monday or Tuesday, could be dead before they receive them, used to be bothered, now I do not give a flying f**k, Simon do what you f***ing like it no longer matters, I’m sure I speak for 80 90% of the staff? f**k em, life’s to short.

Why would you not make sure the nursing home is delivered??? Fs, you may not give a f**k but come on, catch yourself on!!

Maybe because he doesn’t have time. I’ve been in similar situations where I’ve done all the tracked as instructed by management then I only have time for a handful of addresses.

On one particular day on a rural duty I had just 10 mins left after doing tracked/specials/boxes/collection, I had to make a choice to deliver between:

1. The street that I’m parked next to that will take me 10mins to deliver to, they put in an official complaint they haven’t had anything all week and my boss has said try and deliver there

Or

2. Old Ethel who lost her husband last month, has an NHS letter about her cancer screening which she told me she’s expecting and lives all the way down a farm track that takes 5 minutes to get down and 5 minutes back up.

Or

3. The old people’s home who have birthdays, doctor appointments etc but again it’s a 5 min drive away.

Or

4. One of the local farms that the other reserves can’t find, and I know the farmer is driving around the village looking for me to give me a peace of his mind. He’s got a huge pile of letters with invoices in.

Unbelievable!! Just you worry about your time. Don't worry about eldery people waiting on hospital appointments or birthdays that are a God send when you're in one of those places. Just leave them in the frame for days on end. Fs God forbid if you get old and find yourself in that position one day. If doing the right thing takes you 5 minutes over your time then just worry about yourself.

Sorry hero, I had to be done on time that day to take my wife who has a life threatening medical condition to her hospital appointment. Next time I’ll confirm it with Mr Big Balls here, who knows maybe you’ll be willing to travel over to my DO in your own time and take all the undelivered letters....there’s plenty of em

[norris9]

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

I don't think this is possible. They struggle to recruit and retain staff as it is. The cost of living is ridiculous. They wouldn't find the numbers they need to do the job. 100,000 owner drivers earning next to nothing.... I can't see it.

I can see them getting a lot of owner-drivers to deliver parcels. Not sure they'd go down the owner-driver route for letters.


Anyway. We fight on. We aren't bending over. Keep striking. Enjoy the time off. Enjoy the World Cup.

[Cucumber]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

Never ever happening. Tens of thousands of non driving staff.

[HTPostman]

You could have given of your own time and done all 4, but I understand good will has gone now - to RM's and the community's detriment.

Very true however that day I had a very good reason to be done on time. At the end of the day I’m not responsible for understaffing, making rounds far too long, refusing to train people because ‘there’s no training budget’ resulting in the previous 2 days (which were my days off) those doing the round doing it blind.

As you say, goodwill has gone - it coincidentally disappeared when my legally owed holiday pay disappeared. Nowadays it’s start time, breaks, finish time.

[Acca Dacca]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

Never ever happening. Tens of thousands of non driving staff.

SpacePhoenix is OBSESSED with non drivers for some reason

[SpacePhoenix]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

Never ever happening. Tens of thousands of non driving staff.

SpacePhoenix is OBSESSED with non drivers for some reason

With the current way RM is, ANYTHING is on the cards

[Wolf91]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

Never ever happening. Tens of thousands of non driving staff.

SpacePhoenix is OBSESSED with non drivers for some reason

+ dispatch times; floor space, and acronyms for his machines

[2chorizon]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

Now I know some may call this BS but I said on another thread that 25% of my office is also going in tomorrow after being 100% solid up until now. If this is being replicated up and down the country (and there’s no reason to believe it isn’t) then this isn’t going to last much longer. If all people hear is that the CWU have rejected this latest offer and trot out further strikes dates then the amount of people returning to work will gather pace.

Now I may have fallen into the trap of assuming because this is going on locally to me that this is being replicated across the country - it may not and I may be wrong. However, those on here who assume that because their office is 100% out thus everywhere else must be may equally be wrong. Bear that in mind!

Alot of people at my MC are planning on crossing tomorrow, been 100% up until now.
Heard all the excuses, mostly the "12 week strike rule" being trotted out as an excuse (even though we have dispelled that myth all week.

[redlen]

The 12 week rule is law, hardly a myth

We would not be having his discussion if the CWU had instigated another ballot

[Acca Dacca]

Just heard from one union rep at an office about 20 miles away saying “98% of staff are going in this week “ it is only him & 1 other staying out.

That's a lot of people willing to roll over and let RM do what they want. They'll soon be moaning when later starts, annualised hours and commit to deliver (I'm assuming that your office is a DO) get brought in and a load of allowances get axed (think RM will go for ALL allowances if the CWU roll over)

That’s if they still have a Job . If we lose this dispute there will be loads of compulsory redundancies. Also With no union protection can you imagine the bullying and intimidation.

If we lose this dispute, I can see owner-driver coming in big time in DOs, possibly with RM aiming to make deliveries 100% owner-driver

Never ever happening. Tens of thousands of non driving staff.

SpacePhoenix is OBSESSED with non drivers for some reason

With the current way RM is, ANYTHING is on the cards

All you go on about is non drivers though

[redlen]

https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-st ... ial-action

After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.

[Acca Dacca]

https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-st ... ial-action

We all know len

Being possible and being realistic are two different things

You have become a right pain in the arse on here, not unlike a certain Mr 2yearpostie........

[redlen]

Personlly do not take sides, will only post objective links

The truth is never popular with propaganda

To call the 12 week rule a myth and bragging about it telling members that is down right ^%$(&^%