Union Using Door to Door Supplement as Bargaining Tool

[Dexydog]

Classy.

[LouBarlow]

It is true though isn’t it. I get it, we live in a world where people just make up crap and post it on social media and suddenly it is truth, but at least use some critical thought and understand what you are believing before posting it on this site.

[BigSacks]

Whilst it is admirable of the Union to try and make the workforce less of a two-tier operation, I am interested in the reality of the situation.

That is, what is the uptake of new entrants for union membership?
My understanding is that it is very low and, whilst I understand the logic of the CWU thinking that by getting them a pay hike may get them onboard, I’m not sure that will be the case.

My point being is that I will be very hacked off if the Union fling all their eggs in the new start basket at the (literal) expense of the long-standing membership who have sacrificed a great deal over the years.

I hope the Union understand the potential consequences of making a mistake here.

[Londonsburning]

It is true though isn’t it. I get it, we live in a world where people just make up crap and post it on social media and suddenly it is truth, but at least use some critical thought and understand what you are believing before posting it on this site.

Lol we as a 'unskilled' workforce have probably had the worst pay cut across the board of 'unskilled' jobs in the UK over the last 10 years accounting for inflation/workload.

[Dexydog]

Deleted.
Can't be arsed arguing.

[Trumanity]

It’s not a a door to door supplement and the fact that they think it is , isn’t a surprise.

[thefox]

D2d payment or delivery supplement everyone knows what it is ,s there any need to be constantly debating this ffs.

[clashcityrocker]

D2d payment or delivery supplement everyone knows what it is ,s there any need to be constantly debating this ffs.

Then there is no need to be constantly mislabelling it is there ffs.
Why don't we call it the early shift allowance payment which it replaced?

[ted_e_bear]

I've had a better idea let's call it delivery supplement which is an additional payment paid for those of us that deliver stuff, it's really simple for me to understand, admittedly I'm a bit thick and even I don't think it's a payment just for doing anything with d2ds.

Actually I think it would be a great idea to incorporate it into the pay rate of people employed in the delivery role rather than an addition to the royal mail standard rate of pay.

[scotchy1962]

Scotchy

I don’t accept that at all. Members don’t want reps to make false promises, they want to understand the challenges they face.

The easy and most popular thing a union rep can say is we going to do x, y and z and then not deliver it.

The vast majority of members I meet understand the challenges the union and government face.

This is a 8 billion pound company which made a 67 million loss this year.

It does not matter who owns the company unless there is change and growth this company will not survive within the next few years.

We have over 70% of letters now being delivered by Down Stream accesss where the cherry pickers creamed off the top leaving Royal Mail to deliver the final mile cost.

40% of letters are now in the enconomy Mail product which does not get delivered unless there are two items to an address until day 4.

Most customers are downgrading from 1st class due to either pricing or quality.

Royal Mail share of parcels has halved since privatisation and whilst Royal Mail remains the dominant player in the 48 market their share of the 24 market is less than a third.

Self employed drivers in Evri and other couriers are undercutting Royal Mail but Royal Mail do not off a next day delivery up to 8 o clock.

You may want to not hear the realities of what is happening and shout from the sidelines but this is what the union has to deal with and that is the reality.

Martin again i have no interest, and any fellow postie i know has no interest, in the day to day running of this company. How it costs things, if it makes a profit or a loss and anything in between.
That is a problem for the board of this company, not me or the union.
So the company doesn't survive, is that my fault? your fault? or could it be the people running its fault? I fancy the latter.
Sometimes that is what happens, businesses run their course.
We have the Czech Dan the man coming to the rescue, he is a man worth a penny or two and is possibly more clued up than the present bunch.
If he can't turn it around then i fancy RM will have run its course in this form and RM will have to have a full sensible adult conversation with the government.
I know the realities of what is happening, but believing the union has to "Deal" with this is purely to do with some sort of vanity project, nowhere in your remit with us the members says you get involved in the day to day running of this company or worry about how other companies run as well.
Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

[sindba]

The Union gets a lot of stick, including from me.

But surely their job is to make things better than they otherwise would have been for their members?

Not perfect, but just better, within the environment they're faced with. I think the CWU still does that, for all its faults.

[clashcityrocker]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

[2chorizon]

Forget “D2D’s” they will trade “Paid breaks”

[TopperGas]

It would be a suicidal move from the CWU to take money away from members, there needs to be clarification on this issue very quickly before even more members withdraw from the union

The CWU isn’t trying to deduct money.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts. Why would they pay the delivery supplement if there are no D2Ds?

So the CWU are working to keep it and work it into pay.

RM can't simply remove the Delivery Supplement without compensating employees who presently receive it. I can't see there's any chance of new employees ever being paid the Delivery Supplement, it's nonsense for the CWU suggest RM will ever pay it.

Like the last pay review the CWU seem to be giving a wish list, didn't DW suggest the CWU wanted a no strings pay rise before accepting one with a number of strings?

[SMS1969]

RM can't simply remove the Delivery Supplement without compensating employees who presently receive it. I can't see there's any chance of new employees ever being paid the Delivery Supplement, it's nonsense for the CWU suggest RM will ever pay it.

Like the last pay review the CWU seem to be giving a wish list, didn't DW suggest the CWU wanted a no strings pay rise before accepting one with a number of strings?
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No, it was going to be better than that- a no strings above inflation pay rise no less, there wasn’t a cat in hells chance of either. But they will start with a new list of wishes and will hopefully negotiate to get some of them.